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Topic: Can forced transgenderism solve the incel crisis?

Anonymous A started this discussion 3 years ago #106,459

60% of tinder users are male. Would compulsory sissyfication and genital surgery be a good way to balance out the playing field?

LadyD !Pool..v42s joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 18 minutes later[^] [v] #1,196,219

No. A mindless indoctrination of any type leaves significant mental scaring on society

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 23 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,235

That sounds like it's going to cause more problems than it's worth, OP.
What the fuck is wrong with you?

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,236

You cant assume that the people forced into this would want men

Anonymous C replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,324

@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
He also can't assume that the people forced into this would not experience dysphoria for their assigned gender. Dysphoria goes both ways.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,352

No that is the job of sex robots.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 14 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,354

A good start would have been China not drowning female babies.

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 40 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,365

the incel crisis where 80% of men and 90% of women manage to be having sex

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 3 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,422

Externally hosted image@previous (G)

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 21 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,425

@1,196,365 (G)
Yeah dude just like that homelessness crisis where 90+% of people sleep under a roof.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,426

@1,196,422 (H)
So 72% of men are still having sex?

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 8 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,428

@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
The percentage of incels trippled in 10 years, and it hasn’t flattened out yet, its higher each year.

Even if it was only 3 in 10, thats millions of men who are permanently alone. It’s a recipe for social instability.

Even the guys who score are paying a higher price than ever to do it.

If this trend keeps up there will be an army ripe for fascists to take advantage of. That ends poorly for everyone.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,429

@previous (H)
Maybe we should try and teach men to be better at sex

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 46 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,430

@1,196,428 (H)

> The percentage of incels trippled in 10 years, and it hasn’t flattened out yet, its higher each year.
>
> Even if it was only 3 in 10, thats millions of men who are permanently alone. It’s a recipe for social instability.
>
> Even the guys who score are paying a higher price than ever to do it.
>
> If this trend keeps up there will be an army ripe for fascists to take advantage of. That ends poorly for everyone.

that graph you posted was not of incels, some of those could be voluntarily celibate

boof joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,431

some of them may be mislabeld -- some may not be interested in fucking just anything, but wish to have a sweetie to be with but have been fussy about who might qualify

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 31 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,432

@1,196,429 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)

When women suffer negative situations, society caused it.

When men suffer negative situations, they are to blame themselves. Just a coincidence they all got bad at sex the moment a new technology was released that enabled hypergamy.

Anonymous H double-posted this 3 years ago, 49 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,433

@1,196,430 (G)
Do you think volcels just suddenly became more common as hookup apps became mainstream?

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,434

@1,196,432 (H)
Technology made it easier to find men who are better at sex

If you want more sex, incentivize it

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 48 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,435

@1,196,433 (H)
yeah cause you could be kissing anime girls in VR now instead, duh

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 34 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,436

@previous (G)
Also porn is so easy to get and low effort now

(Edited 6 seconds later.)

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,437

@1,196,434 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Why do you think this only applies in one direction?

We don’t see men raising standards and a growing segment of lonely women.

It doesn’t matter if every man dedicates every moment to impressing women and catering to their whims, theres still going to be a top percentage that gets the attention of most women.

(Edited 11 seconds later.)

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,439

@previous (H)
They could if they wanted to

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,441

Also looking at that graph, the rise of celibate men started before Tinder was created.

Around the time porn based parasocial relationships began

(Edited 11 seconds later.)

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,443

@1,196,439 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Even if a man moves from the bottom to the top, it just means another man moves to the bottom. The percentages stay the same.

As long as women can practice hypergamy they will.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,444

@previous (H)
As would men if they could

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 51 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,445

Liberalism justifies inequality on the basis of freedom. These inequalities breed an underclass that has nothing to lose, building a fascist society.

Monogamy, like income/land equality, satisfies the majority but necessarily infringes on the freedoms liberals fetishize.

Fascism is liberal capitalism in decay. Redistributive taxes and monogamy are both socialist ideals.

Anonymous H double-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,446

@1,196,444 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
So you admit only one of the two can and do practice hypergamy.

So why pretend that most men could simply choose to find a mate when the dynamics don’t work the same way for men and women?

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,447

@1,196,437 (H)

> We don’t see [...] a growing segment of lonely women.

Look at your graph again.

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,448

@previous (G)
The graph shows parity, with fluctuations, before tinder.

After, there is a small bump in sexless women as male sexlessness diverges from the rate of women and tripled in a decade.

(Edited 16 seconds later.)

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 55 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,449

@1,196,446 (H)
I think men have traditionally been bad at sex and bad about giving women orgasms and have also committed a variety of crimes against women, forever

And now women can choose any man that they want and it makes you angry

Many women would rather die celibate then fuck someone like you and I applaud that

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 15 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,450

@1,196,448 (H)
it shows parity if you ignore all the data that doesn't fit your hypothesis

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 40 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,451

@1,196,448 (H)
So both men and women are having less sex, and that's a problem somehow

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,452

@1,196,448 (H)
also the trend definitely appears to have started before tinder was introduced, so the tinder theory of incelation seems to be flawed... i wonder what else happened in 2008

(Edited 59 seconds later.)

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 29 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,453

I just said it doesn’t show parity after tinder.

You were the one inplying women are dealing with the same issue, which implies parity of the two rates.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 55 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,454

@previous (H)
No it doesnt

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 18 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,455

@1,196,453 (H)
the change in both is 10% off the bottoms

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,460

@1,196,449 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Even if every man acts ideally, women will still stick the top 20% of wealthiest/most attractive men.

Plenty of men go to the gym, pay for dates, simp endlessly, and still end up alone.

As long as its impossible for 100% of men to be the top 20% there will be incels, and that leads to problems across society.

Misandryist comments wont solve anything, sexual morality would.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 47 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,461

@previous (H)
Then telling to be a little bit moral as they commit the vast majority of crime

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 49 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,462

@1,196,460 (H)
do you apply hamfisted stereotypes to every aspect of your life?

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,471

@1,196,461 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
People commit crimes as a direct result of material conditions.

The poor will steal because irresistible natural forces compel them to survive.

Men in the bottom 80% are compelled by the forces of natural selection to take risks (like crime) to ensure their genes survive.

Wishing Darwinian forces away will never work, but creating a monogamous society would mean men dont have to take risks for genetic survival.

Anyone who breaks the mold and is content with childlessness weeds their genes out of the system, meaning the next generation is even more likely to take risks to pass on their genes.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,476

@previous (H)
So why are you trying to prevent Darwinin forces? The absolute bottom of men shouldn't be getting sex because they don't need to be breeding, right?

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,478

@1,196,471 (H)
so why are you looking at Tinder and not something else that happened in 2008... like maybe the financial crisis

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,483

@1,196,476 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
You can’t prevent darwinian forces, just like you can’t prevent gravity from existing.

Planes work by getting in the air despite gravity, and societies can form stable and egalitarian communities despite darwinian forces.

In both cases understanding natural laws is necessary to get the desired result.

Sexual liberalism necessarily ends the bloodlines of most men, activating behaviors to survive, AKA crime.

Monogamy gives most men a reason to act in a civil way.

Ruthless competition among men doesnt lead to strong societies, if it did lawless African countries would be the dominant civilizations.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 49 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,485

@previous (H)
Men have always committed crime. Are you claiming that crime rates are worse than they were previously?

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,491

@1,196,478 (G)
Previous recessions didn’t lead to the same kind of incel movements, but hookup apps make it easy for sexual inequalities to become common.

A peasant woman used to find a husband in her village, but now setting up a profile and chatting with a man can get her a plane ticket to bring her into a harem easily.

(Edited 2 minutes later.)

Anonymous H double-posted this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,497

@1,196,485 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Men are compelled to take risks when they don’t have a mate, and less willing to take risks when their genetic line is secured.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,501

@previous (H)
Are you saying that crime rates are higher now?

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,508

@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I’m saying risk taking is higher when someone is at risk of not passing on their genes. That’s a basic principle of natural selection.

Are you going for a gatcha question, where you show that crime was higher in the past? If so, monogamy wasn’t ubiquitous in the past, and explains much of that crime. other threats to genetic survival (e.g. great depression or war) could also explain higher crime.

Do you believe men respond to conditions that impact their ability to have offspring, or that humans are exempt from natural selection?

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,509

@previous (H)
I believe that of we are in an incel crises as you say, crime should be higher than its been in a very long time

I know it doesn't work like that, because many incels don't have ethe balls to commit crime, they also don't try to approach women

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,516

@1,196,497 (H)
if that's true then shouldn't we see the rate of sexlessness among men sitting at 0%?

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,533

@previous (G)
No, for the same reason risks taken by the poor don’t turn the poverty rate to 0%.

LadyD !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,539

Incepls just need to be top g hustlers and drink bottled woter

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,540

@previous (LadyD !Pool..v42s)
Hahah his accent though

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 45 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,541

@1,196,509 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Men won’t exhibit every behavior the first year they can’t get laid.

Maybe it takes 5 or 10 years for a man to get radicalized by his own instincts to breed. If so, it could be years before the bump in the chart is reflected in crime stats and political instability.

The same increase that happened early is likely a big factor in the rise of the alt-right. What happens when most men can’t get a partner and they’ve had over a decade to ruminate on it? Mass social disintegration.

LadyD !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,542

@1,196,540 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I can't get that guy out of my brain, it's just too funny. And then his appearance on tucker and all that after his removal from social media platforms, so diminished, and definitely not top g behavior

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 58 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,543

@1,196,541 (H)
How long has it been since Tinder has existed?

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,544

Externally hosted imageif it's tinder's fault and the trend clearly shows that algorithmic dating services are the cause... then why didn't we see this happening sooner?

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,545

@1,196,542 (LadyD !Pool..v42s)
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR5QSVWH/

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 50 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,546

@1,196,543 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
A decade, and not everyone signed up on day one.

Sexlesness among men went up about 8% in 5 years. If a man still has hope after 5 years typically, we shouldnt expect all of them to be criminals or devoted fascists.

When everyone is using these apps, and a sizeable fraction of men haven’t had a partner in over 10 years, it should be expected they will change their behavior to avoid a failing strategy.

Sexlessness on the graph still hasnt topped off, imagine it plateaus at 50% and then those men have a lot of time to learn that women will always pick from the upper half.

How is society going to look for the men and women living with all of these radicalized men?

My prediction is that a strongman will appeal to them, and that will harm everyone.

Green !StaYqkzUPc joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,548

Incels are just arseholes. They should just get a rubber glove and shut up.

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,551

@1,196,544 (G)
Many people didn’t even have a computer in 2000. It was a middle class toy that the middle class was still figuring out.

Social stigma online dating was around for years after 2000, and even those who liked the idea didn’t have many local options so couldn’t get much use out of those sites anyway.

Now that everyone has the required technology in their pocket, and that using tinder is normalized, it can actually have an impact on these statistics.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 19 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,552

@1,196,546 (H)
Name a year where you expect this to happen so we can test your prediction

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,553

@1,196,551 (H)
@1,196,551 (H)
So it was cellphones, then? not tinder?

Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,556

@1,196,548 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
Fit, educated, polite men are on the receiving end of this more and more. they must be bad, lazy, and gross because they can’t get a woman.

Meanwhile, even the most grotesque, rude, and unaccomplished women can get it any night they want to. So all these women must have a secret charm or unseen redeeming characteristics.

The hate for incels is just an inherent bias against men, gaslighting them into thinking that sexual dynamics are balanced because they truth is too hard to admit.

Anonymous H double-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,557

@1,196,553 (G)
People use tinder on their cellphones.

Easy access to hookups didn’t happen in 2000 with eharmony, even for those with computers and an interest in online dating. In 2008 it actually did become accessible.

Anonymous H triple-posted this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,558

@1,196,552 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
It’s happening now.

Misogyny and fascism are rising as a result of more and more men finding out they are locked in sexual poverty.

When does this reach a breaking point, where war breaks out or sexuality morality is enforced as a counter measure? I don’t know because this problem has no precedent in the past.

LadyD !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,559

@1,196,545 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Worth a chuckle, and then every incel would be piling up on the comments either saying they could show her something different

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,562

@1,196,558 (H)
I don't think either of those things are on the rise

Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 18 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,564

@1,196,556 (H)
why then has the rate of sexlessness in women also risen 10% from its lowest point in recent history, as depicted in the graph you posted

(Edited 20 seconds later.)

Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 3 years ago, 13 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,568

@1,196,556 (H)
I've been in incel groups. They're awful. They're bitter and say disgusting things about women.

squeegee joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,569

Fuck your life partners, don't be a withholding fuckhole. Problem solved. Ur welcome

LadyD !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 27 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,573

@previous (squeegee)
Basically this! It seems like "incels" forget a relationship is about balance, and just want their own needs met. If you have a partner that you communicate with and like you said aren't selfish with, there shouldn't be a problem with sexual needs being met

Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,576

@1,196,568 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
They do, because they’ve been treated with unjustified hate first.

Women ignore 80% of men, and then deny it happens. They defraud men, using them for money while falsely signaling interest. They lie and gaslight knowing men have limited alternatives if they want to end the relationship.

Widespread systematic abuse along gender lines, but that all gets ignored. when a man responds to all this by calling women bitches, suddenly they are the ones in the wrong.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,577

@1,196,573 (LadyD !Pool..v42s)

> Basically this! It seems like "incels" forget a relationship is about balance, and just want their own needs met. If you have a partner that you communicate with and like you said aren't selfish with, there shouldn't be a problem with sexual needs being met

Ah. I've been on both sides of a sexless relationship. In one case she lost her sex drive due to health issues, the other I lost attraction towards her because of her size (morbidly obese).

These kind of situations are complex. You can't really make declarations on who should be getting sex and how often.

LadyD !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,642

@previous (N)
Exactly. In my opinion Even if you're in a relationship where needs aren't being met, honest and open communication with your partner is the most important part of any relationship, and of course willingness to grow together and separately as humans is a close second

Anonymous N replied with this 3 years ago, 23 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,668

@previous (LadyD !Pool..v42s)

Or just break up. In both relationships I wasn't happy.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,673

@previous (N)
Yes sometimes people are just not compatible. Nothing wrong with that

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,675

Yes but you only transition one half of the body. So your left half has tits and the left half of a pussy, and your right half has chest hair and half a dong.

shelly joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 12 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,693

is this the guy who made that thread suggesting that I court children

Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 52 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,766

What the incels need, I think, is some persistence and a bit of positive thinking. All this stuff about hypergamy and chads and the genetic lottery is really just a way to be comfortable in failure. The incel ideology is attractive to lonely men because it tells them that the world is unfair and was always rigged against them, it makes them feel like they can just give up and seethe at the world.

I can understand being lonely like they are. But I've also seen that a bit of persistence can go a long way. Not every woman exclusively goes for muscular alpha males, they are humans with their own preferences and circumstances. You do not have to be the incel idea of a "high value male" to get dates.

Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE double-posted this 3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,773

@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Although, this post is mostly about, like, individual incels. The wider incel community that's developed on the internet has long since been a problem. It is, essentially, an internet pipeline set up that can take a man who's a little disillusioned with dating and eventually make him feel like he's inevitably going to die alone.

I'm not really sure how you deal with that, though. Deplatforming them hasn't really worked. But as long as that incel community is strong then we're probably going to keep getting things like incel mass-shooters.

Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,196,805

What the poor need, I think, is some persistence and a can-do plattitude.

(Edited 16 seconds later.)

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