Anonymous C replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,324
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
He also can't assume that the people forced into this would not experience dysphoria for their assigned gender. Dysphoria goes both ways.
> The percentage of incels trippled in 10 years, and it hasn’t flattened out yet, its higher each year. > > Even if it was only 3 in 10, thats millions of men who are permanently alone. It’s a recipe for social instability. > > Even the guys who score are paying a higher price than ever to do it. > > If this trend keeps up there will be an army ripe for fascists to take advantage of. That ends poorly for everyone.
that graph you posted was not of incels, some of those could be voluntarily celibate
boof joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,431
some of them may be mislabeld -- some may not be interested in fucking just anything, but wish to have a sweetie to be with but have been fussy about who might qualify
When women suffer negative situations, society caused it.
When men suffer negative situations, they are to blame themselves. Just a coincidence they all got bad at sex the moment a new technology was released that enabled hypergamy.
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,437
@1,196,434 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Why do you think this only applies in one direction?
We don’t see men raising standards and a growing segment of lonely women.
It doesn’t matter if every man dedicates every moment to impressing women and catering to their whims, theres still going to be a top percentage that gets the attention of most women.
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,443
@1,196,439 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Even if a man moves from the bottom to the top, it just means another man moves to the bottom. The percentages stay the same.
As long as women can practice hypergamy they will.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 55 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,449
@1,196,446 (H)
I think men have traditionally been bad at sex and bad about giving women orgasms and have also committed a variety of crimes against women, forever
And now women can choose any man that they want and it makes you angry
Many women would rather die celibate then fuck someone like you and I applaud that
Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,452
@1,196,448 (H)
also the trend definitely appears to have started before tinder was introduced, so the tinder theory of incelation seems to be flawed... i wonder what else happened in 2008
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,471
@1,196,461 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
People commit crimes as a direct result of material conditions.
The poor will steal because irresistible natural forces compel them to survive.
Men in the bottom 80% are compelled by the forces of natural selection to take risks (like crime) to ensure their genes survive.
Wishing Darwinian forces away will never work, but creating a monogamous society would mean men dont have to take risks for genetic survival.
Anyone who breaks the mold and is content with childlessness weeds their genes out of the system, meaning the next generation is even more likely to take risks to pass on their genes.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,476
@previous (H)
So why are you trying to prevent Darwinin forces? The absolute bottom of men shouldn't be getting sex because they don't need to be breeding, right?
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,491
@1,196,478 (G)
Previous recessions didn’t lead to the same kind of incel movements, but hookup apps make it easy for sexual inequalities to become common.
A peasant woman used to find a husband in her village, but now setting up a profile and chatting with a man can get her a plane ticket to bring her into a harem easily.
Anonymous H double-posted this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,497
@1,196,485 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Men are compelled to take risks when they don’t have a mate, and less willing to take risks when their genetic line is secured.
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,508
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I’m saying risk taking is higher when someone is at risk of not passing on their genes. That’s a basic principle of natural selection.
Are you going for a gatcha question, where you show that crime was higher in the past? If so, monogamy wasn’t ubiquitous in the past, and explains much of that crime. other threats to genetic survival (e.g. great depression or war) could also explain higher crime.
Do you believe men respond to conditions that impact their ability to have offspring, or that humans are exempt from natural selection?
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 45 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,541
@1,196,509 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Men won’t exhibit every behavior the first year they can’t get laid.
Maybe it takes 5 or 10 years for a man to get radicalized by his own instincts to breed. If so, it could be years before the bump in the chart is reflected in crime stats and political instability.
The same increase that happened early is likely a big factor in the rise of the alt-right. What happens when most men can’t get a partner and they’ve had over a decade to ruminate on it? Mass social disintegration.
LadyD !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,542
@1,196,540 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I can't get that guy out of my brain, it's just too funny. And then his appearance on tucker and all that after his removal from social media platforms, so diminished, and definitely not top g behavior
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 50 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,546
@1,196,543 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
A decade, and not everyone signed up on day one.
Sexlesness among men went up about 8% in 5 years. If a man still has hope after 5 years typically, we shouldnt expect all of them to be criminals or devoted fascists.
When everyone is using these apps, and a sizeable fraction of men haven’t had a partner in over 10 years, it should be expected they will change their behavior to avoid a failing strategy.
Sexlessness on the graph still hasnt topped off, imagine it plateaus at 50% and then those men have a lot of time to learn that women will always pick from the upper half.
How is society going to look for the men and women living with all of these radicalized men?
My prediction is that a strongman will appeal to them, and that will harm everyone.
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,551
@1,196,544 (G)
Many people didn’t even have a computer in 2000. It was a middle class toy that the middle class was still figuring out.
Social stigma online dating was around for years after 2000, and even those who liked the idea didn’t have many local options so couldn’t get much use out of those sites anyway.
Now that everyone has the required technology in their pocket, and that using tinder is normalized, it can actually have an impact on these statistics.
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,556
@1,196,548 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
Fit, educated, polite men are on the receiving end of this more and more. they must be bad, lazy, and gross because they can’t get a woman.
Meanwhile, even the most grotesque, rude, and unaccomplished women can get it any night they want to. So all these women must have a secret charm or unseen redeeming characteristics.
The hate for incels is just an inherent bias against men, gaslighting them into thinking that sexual dynamics are balanced because they truth is too hard to admit.
Anonymous H double-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,557
@1,196,553 (G)
People use tinder on their cellphones.
Easy access to hookups didn’t happen in 2000 with eharmony, even for those with computers and an interest in online dating. In 2008 it actually did become accessible.
Misogyny and fascism are rising as a result of more and more men finding out they are locked in sexual poverty.
When does this reach a breaking point, where war breaks out or sexuality morality is enforced as a counter measure? I don’t know because this problem has no precedent in the past.
LadyD !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,559
@1,196,545 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Worth a chuckle, and then every incel would be piling up on the comments either saying they could show her something different
Anonymous G replied with this 3 years ago, 18 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,564
@1,196,556 (H)
why then has the rate of sexlessness in women also risen 10% from its lowest point in recent history, as depicted in the graph you posted
LadyD !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 27 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,573
@previous (squeegee)
Basically this! It seems like "incels" forget a relationship is about balance, and just want their own needs met. If you have a partner that you communicate with and like you said aren't selfish with, there shouldn't be a problem with sexual needs being met
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,576
@1,196,568 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
They do, because they’ve been treated with unjustified hate first.
Women ignore 80% of men, and then deny it happens. They defraud men, using them for money while falsely signaling interest. They lie and gaslight knowing men have limited alternatives if they want to end the relationship.
Widespread systematic abuse along gender lines, but that all gets ignored. when a man responds to all this by calling women bitches, suddenly they are the ones in the wrong.
> Basically this! It seems like "incels" forget a relationship is about balance, and just want their own needs met. If you have a partner that you communicate with and like you said aren't selfish with, there shouldn't be a problem with sexual needs being met
Ah. I've been on both sides of a sexless relationship. In one case she lost her sex drive due to health issues, the other I lost attraction towards her because of her size (morbidly obese).
These kind of situations are complex. You can't really make declarations on who should be getting sex and how often.
LadyD !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,642
@previous (N)
Exactly. In my opinion Even if you're in a relationship where needs aren't being met, honest and open communication with your partner is the most important part of any relationship, and of course willingness to grow together and separately as humans is a close second
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,675
Yes but you only transition one half of the body. So your left half has tits and the left half of a pussy, and your right half has chest hair and half a dong.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 52 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,766
What the incels need, I think, is some persistence and a bit of positive thinking. All this stuff about hypergamy and chads and the genetic lottery is really just a way to be comfortable in failure. The incel ideology is attractive to lonely men because it tells them that the world is unfair and was always rigged against them, it makes them feel like they can just give up and seethe at the world.
I can understand being lonely like they are. But I've also seen that a bit of persistence can go a long way. Not every woman exclusively goes for muscular alpha males, they are humans with their own preferences and circumstances. You do not have to be the incel idea of a "high value male" to get dates.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE double-posted this 3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,773
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Although, this post is mostly about, like, individual incels. The wider incel community that's developed on the internet has long since been a problem. It is, essentially, an internet pipeline set up that can take a man who's a little disillusioned with dating and eventually make him feel like he's inevitably going to die alone.
I'm not really sure how you deal with that, though. Deplatforming them hasn't really worked. But as long as that incel community is strong then we're probably going to keep getting things like incel mass-shooters.