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Topic: Why the FUCK can't the US have public healthcare like the UK and ALL other developed countries?

Anonymous A started this discussion 3 years ago #106,435

I mean, what the FUCK is wrong with Americans?

LadyD !Pool..v42s joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 28 minutes later[^] [v] #1,195,894

It's just another goofy American tradition

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,895

It's part of a many decades long campaign to convince the American public that public services in general are inherently bad, in order to allow private companies to continue to price gouge us and collect massive profits.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 11 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,896

@previous (C)
Are Americans just...stupid?

Anonymous C replied with this 3 years ago, 11 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,898

@previous (A)
Part of me wants to just say yes, but I think it's a little more complicated. This is a well-coordinated, well-funded, systemic effort to dupe the American public that has gone on for decades. In some ways it has become a part of our very cultural identity. The effectiveness of such misinformation campaigns cannot be overstated. When you live your entire life immersed in a particular belief system, it can be difficult to accept that your beliefs are false, if you happen to ever be exposed to contradicting beliefs in the first place.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,905

@previous (C)
Alright, but are people who are so easily swayed by propaganda that defies reality, stupid?

Anonymous C replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,910

@previous (A)
Not necessarily. Propaganda is incredibly effective. There is a good reason it has been used so extensively all throughout human history.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,911

@previous (C)
Ok, fair enough. I just cannot imagine, though, actually opposing access to healthcare.

Anonymous C replied with this 3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,912

@previous (A)
It is indeed mind boggling. People I've spoken with about it, even otherwise intelligent and well educated folk, tend to fall back on a couple of very flawed (and somewhat contradictory) arguments: they don't want their taxes to increase, and they're afraid that the quality of healthcare will decrease due to lack of funding.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,913

Just keep the current healthcare but set price limits retards

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,915

I'm living in a country with taxpayer funded healthcare.

If I could change US healthcare here's how I'd do it. There are two systems. One is the current system. The other system is funded by taxpayers. Anyone born after say 2025 goes on the new system. This will result in a gradual change. That gradual change is necessary for the following reason.

If Americans want cheaper healthcare, healthcare employees need to be paid less. That fact is never discussed. American healthcare workers are paid more than their counterparts in other countries.

Anonymous C replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,916

@1,195,913 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
I think that's almost as unlikely to happen as it will have the same effect in the eyes of the people working to keep things the way they are: smaller profits.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,923

Because the US is too big and it would be too complicated to manage at a federal level. There simply isn't enough money to fund it for everybody in the country, immediately.

You'd have to introduce it very slowly, state by state, age group by age group, but in the meantime people will still die (needlessly and senselessly because what about muhrights to free health care?) It's an extremely difficult problem, with no clear solution.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 3 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,932

@previous (F)
Everyone knows economy of scale means everything would be more expensive in a big country

Green !StaYqkzUPc joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 10 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,933

It's not going so well here.

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 12 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,937

FYI: ITS NOT FREE.

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,938

@previous (H)

Your mother was free last night, didn't charge a cent. 😎😎😎😎😎

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,951

Just choose to be healthy

Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 8 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,953

insurance company lobbyists, probably

Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 13 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,956

You can always go back to that shithole you lived at when you fled the USA.

Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,975

@1,195,951 (J)
> Just choose to be healthy
Extra difficult when the majority of people in the US don't know that being obese is unhealthy. They seem to think it's a valid life choice/something to be celebrated.

Anonymous L replied with this 3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,195,976

@previous (M)

> > Just choose to be healthy
> Extra difficult when the majority of people in the US don't know that being obese is unhealthy. They seem to think it's a valid life choice/something to be celebrated.

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