Topic: i took N,N-DMT (DMT) and i took 5-MeO-DMT (Toad Venom) on different occasions several times - AMA
Buni started this discussion 3 years ago #105,751
They are chemically similar, but structurally unique compounds and they have similar effects on physiology but the subjective experiences are uniquely distinct. both share similarity to other tryptamine psychadelics such as LSD, psilocybin, and ayahuasca and have effects in common with other compounds such as MDMA and ketamine. But, DMT and toad venom are not only the fastest acting psychedelics and shortest overall duration of active effects with experiences lasting 15 - 20 minutes (depending on how it's taken, but substances like LSD or psilocybin can last 8 - 12 hours where DMT rarely can be experienced over hours) DMT and Toad venom are considered the most powerful psychedelics in terms of fucking your world UP. but, while DMT sits at the top of the list of mind altering psychedelics, 5-MeO-DMT, toad venom, is the strongest psychedelic mankind has ever discovered - and it has the single most distinct and powerful experience of any hallucinogenic and the experience is one that affects every aspect of sensory input as well as every aspect of personality such as individual identity (ego) and perceptions such as being alive, and experiencing reality entirely. essentially, you go bye-bye. you are gone. possibly the only experience even remotely similar to anything anyone will ever possibly encounter is death. that is the only comparable dissociative experience that completely impacts every aspect of an individual's connection to reality, and conception of existence entirely. except for 5-MeO-DMT, aka Toad venom, which is sometimes known simply as "the Power," and it is an all encompassing un-reality without any form of awareness of concepts, emotions, personality, understanding, time and place, or even awareness itself. every possible thing that makes your mind believe, "I think therefor I am," is simply forgotten and replaced with chaos. you are not even "I am." not even I. you are barely even "am."
AMA
AMA
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #1,188,307
Buni (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,308
@previous (B)
kinda hungry, haven't had breakfast yet, just a little coffee. what's wrong with you? you ok, bud?
kinda hungry, haven't had breakfast yet, just a little coffee. what's wrong with you? you ok, bud?
Buni (OP) double-posted this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,309
i'll be back later to see if this gets any traction to answer questions if there are more. cya afterwhile
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 29 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,311
okay, i'll bite. did you break the veil, or whatever.
Erik !AltRitexT6 joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 13 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,312
See, I know you were on drugs.
Buni (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,313
Buni (OP) double-posted this 3 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,314
the only way i can describe it is by metaphor. because the hallucinations are so complete and entire that reality is not even remotely capable of having a comparable reference point to even start from. your vision of things becomes so altered that saying what you're looking at resembles a cartoon with vivid colors and outlines and deformable qualities, but, yeah, that works as a kind of reference. things also have a neon pulsing abstract digitized vibrating or swirling kinda quality? it's indescribable, maybe something like a circuit board with electrons flowing through it is what things look like? and that's just 10 or 15 seconds in. you've taken one hit. you take 2 more. and.... you... know words and concepts and languages that have letters and sounds we don't know, like seeing colors that we haven't discovered are even possible? stuff like that. because what you experience are without compare. unequal, in any experience you have to compare things at all. and that's at less than a minute. the next 15-20... would have to be compared to those indescribable reference points outside of anything in reality that makes any sense or has causes and effects.
Dead !Pool..v42s joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,325
Did you go to that same fractal cafe a bunch of folks tell me about?
shelly joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,326
classic sacred fun
Buni (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 28 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,333
@1,188,325 (Dead !Pool..v42s)
yeah. i know what that means. for lack of a better description. for a 2 words representation of it.
kaleidoscopic fractal realm of nested 12 dimensional and recursive multiplicative awarenesses would make about as much sense. if you've even been 12 people with 12 hands with 60 fingers self replicating and dripping apart and regrowing like some kind of a hydra that grows as it falls apart into an infinite multitude of exponentially repeating copies disintegrating outside of time and dissolving away in directions that have no dimension in 3d space that can be experienced then fractal cafe is, like, sure, i mean that's good enough when words no longer have meaning.
yeah. i know what that means. for lack of a better description. for a 2 words representation of it.
kaleidoscopic fractal realm of nested 12 dimensional and recursive multiplicative awarenesses would make about as much sense. if you've even been 12 people with 12 hands with 60 fingers self replicating and dripping apart and regrowing like some kind of a hydra that grows as it falls apart into an infinite multitude of exponentially repeating copies disintegrating outside of time and dissolving away in directions that have no dimension in 3d space that can be experienced then fractal cafe is, like, sure, i mean that's good enough when words no longer have meaning.
Buni (OP) double-posted this 3 years ago, 12 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,334
reality is just utter nonsense. is the take away. existence is a truly weird and quite silly thing, tbh. all broken down, questions like what is the meaning of life, why is there something rather than nothing, what is reality, i mean... it's just all hilariously ludacris that the universe is even a thing. truly. like, what the fuck. after un-existence and nonreality being a person, alive and experiencing reality is quite a funny and curious thing to ponder. yeah, I am aware and here whatever that ultimately means, but, dang... why doesn't come close to the actual question that why are we here seems to be asking. we don't even have a perspective that could ask the right question if we knew how.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 28 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,335
explains a lot
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Dead !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,342
@1,188,333 (Buni)
I've only had the second hand experiences shared with me, but they all used the fractal cafe analogy, my dmt experience was cool, but I didn't "break through" or whatever, I just rocketed to the sky, realized it was creatures, then floated back down then the vibes were just chill for the day.
I've only had the second hand experiences shared with me, but they all used the fractal cafe analogy, my dmt experience was cool, but I didn't "break through" or whatever, I just rocketed to the sky, realized it was creatures, then floated back down then the vibes were just chill for the day.
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Buni (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,345
like, fundamentally what understanding we have is entirely superficial and we really don't even have the faintest idea what understanding could actually explain. all things, yeah, but, also all the things that we have no inkling even could be understood. but, i mean that doesn't really change anything about what we DO understand and believe to be real or think exists because we experience things. so. enjoy the ride. i'm telling you. just enjoy the ride and don't let yourself not have control. make whatever meaning you have mean as much as you can manage to hang onto. or something like that. outside of you there is just a great gaping unknowable chaos where EVERYTHING is or could possibly be or have been. what that means for you and me, we'll literally never find out. life after death, god, or whatever -ok, sure, that's not for US to know directly. doesn't mean it's invalid, just means that's fine.
dissolving into nonexistence and ceasing to be is quite a lovely thing itself, it's spectacularly inviting once the sheer concept of terror and existential dread and woe fall away like the edges of paper burning away consumed by fire.
it is quite unsettling
when you are returned from that and you remember what was forgotten and you know that every form of panic and horror are nothing beyond a certain point to even be afraid of. you forget to care you're losing everything, and once it's gone, you're gone.
and when you notice you're not and you start coming back together it seems to all make perfect sense. don't be afraid, but don't rush into it. returning is what's unsettling. because we're not supposed to do that, we're not supposed to know what we can't understand what's beyond us.
it makes the idea of suicide and death and being dead as funny as a really good joke. trust me on that. you won't consider them to be anything in the way of desirable options. there's nothing to desire about them. but there's nothing to be afraid of in death. so. be alive and live life as you exist while the time is yours. meaning is what we got while anything means anything to whatever we are, wherever we are. take from that what you will, i don't know, i mean, i was very strongly hallucinating to the point of absolute and utter inability to comprehend any kind of meaning or concept.
sacred fun, spiritual voyage, profound experience? lol. sure. fractal cafe? sure. you know. such is life. what the fuck ever that means.
Edit: but that was 5-MeO-DMT. DMT is more like going to a fractal cafe than going nowhere and being nothing or everything or just not being something. they call it Ego-death. lol. sure, okay. fractal cafe, ego-death. these are concepts. and... what are those when there are none and no you?
dissolving into nonexistence and ceasing to be is quite a lovely thing itself, it's spectacularly inviting once the sheer concept of terror and existential dread and woe fall away like the edges of paper burning away consumed by fire.
it is quite unsettling
when you are returned from that and you remember what was forgotten and you know that every form of panic and horror are nothing beyond a certain point to even be afraid of. you forget to care you're losing everything, and once it's gone, you're gone.
and when you notice you're not and you start coming back together it seems to all make perfect sense. don't be afraid, but don't rush into it. returning is what's unsettling. because we're not supposed to do that, we're not supposed to know what we can't understand what's beyond us.
it makes the idea of suicide and death and being dead as funny as a really good joke. trust me on that. you won't consider them to be anything in the way of desirable options. there's nothing to desire about them. but there's nothing to be afraid of in death. so. be alive and live life as you exist while the time is yours. meaning is what we got while anything means anything to whatever we are, wherever we are. take from that what you will, i don't know, i mean, i was very strongly hallucinating to the point of absolute and utter inability to comprehend any kind of meaning or concept.
sacred fun, spiritual voyage, profound experience? lol. sure. fractal cafe? sure. you know. such is life. what the fuck ever that means.
Edit: but that was 5-MeO-DMT. DMT is more like going to a fractal cafe than going nowhere and being nothing or everything or just not being something. they call it Ego-death. lol. sure, okay. fractal cafe, ego-death. these are concepts. and... what are those when there are none and no you?
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Buni (OP) double-posted this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,347
shelly replied with this 3 years ago, 13 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,350
dmt made me think about the Bible
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Buni (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,353
@1,188,336 (H)
sure, ok. lol. massive and severe sudden brain damage would maybe be comparable to the experience? that may be easier to understand as it's experienced. idk. but, i can certainly tell you don't have the slightest experience to draw understanding from if that were even possible.
nothing wrong with that, of course. but it's as much hogswash as any of the codswallop in this thread.
supposedly DMT is made in everyone's brain like serotonin and dopamine and it's not well understood what it's doing or why our brains and nervous system uptake DMT so instantly like necessary neurotransmitters they DO have some understanding of. but, our brains are packed with receptors for it in massive quantity. certainly not normal to have so much at once that we, like, trip so hard there's no reality and we exist like a thread in a dress IS a dress. idk. it's novel, i'll say that as far as experiences go.
you're not ready for it. you can't be ready for it. no pool to dip your toe and get used to the temperature. it is finding yourself at the bottom of the sea and you had no idea there was water at all. no way to know until you're there and even then it just won't make sense.
so.
anyone of y'all that runs across it and thinks, sure, i'd like to try that. just remember... you're really not ready to know the answer to a question you've never heard before.
tbh, i'd call it ill-advisable and say don't do it and stick to something friendlier like LSD.
DMT is not "fun" in the traditional sense of recreational drugs. it's not like you have good trips bad trips or whatever. these trips are nothing like that. way beyond terrifying, way beyond a fun experience. it's outside of everything you think and know.
brain fry? trust me you won't get that far. you won't go back to it enough to get to that point. MDMA, LSD, yeah, i mean you can do that kinda stuff all the time for 20 years and yeah, people fry their brain on lots of drugs. DMT is not kind enough to fry your brain. you get put back together and are just left having experienced enough of it. that's almost everyone who takes it.
once. that's plenty more than enough.
but, i am a shaman. so, i've been known to visit there occasionally. i could right now if i was in the voyaging mood. but, noooo.... no, i'm good just kicking it in reality at the moment.
sure, ok. lol. massive and severe sudden brain damage would maybe be comparable to the experience? that may be easier to understand as it's experienced. idk. but, i can certainly tell you don't have the slightest experience to draw understanding from if that were even possible.
nothing wrong with that, of course. but it's as much hogswash as any of the codswallop in this thread.
supposedly DMT is made in everyone's brain like serotonin and dopamine and it's not well understood what it's doing or why our brains and nervous system uptake DMT so instantly like necessary neurotransmitters they DO have some understanding of. but, our brains are packed with receptors for it in massive quantity. certainly not normal to have so much at once that we, like, trip so hard there's no reality and we exist like a thread in a dress IS a dress. idk. it's novel, i'll say that as far as experiences go.
you're not ready for it. you can't be ready for it. no pool to dip your toe and get used to the temperature. it is finding yourself at the bottom of the sea and you had no idea there was water at all. no way to know until you're there and even then it just won't make sense.
so.
anyone of y'all that runs across it and thinks, sure, i'd like to try that. just remember... you're really not ready to know the answer to a question you've never heard before.
tbh, i'd call it ill-advisable and say don't do it and stick to something friendlier like LSD.
DMT is not "fun" in the traditional sense of recreational drugs. it's not like you have good trips bad trips or whatever. these trips are nothing like that. way beyond terrifying, way beyond a fun experience. it's outside of everything you think and know.
brain fry? trust me you won't get that far. you won't go back to it enough to get to that point. MDMA, LSD, yeah, i mean you can do that kinda stuff all the time for 20 years and yeah, people fry their brain on lots of drugs. DMT is not kind enough to fry your brain. you get put back together and are just left having experienced enough of it. that's almost everyone who takes it.
once. that's plenty more than enough.
but, i am a shaman. so, i've been known to visit there occasionally. i could right now if i was in the voyaging mood. but, noooo.... no, i'm good just kicking it in reality at the moment.
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Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 42 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,355
Did you lick a toad's ass?
Buni (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,356
@previous (I)
no. but 5-MeO-DMT is naturally produced in some frog and it's a useful defense mechanism. that's why it's called Toad Venom and some people will collect the secretions on glass, dry it, scrape it into a powder and smoke it.
but it's also easy to synthesize synthetically (if you're an organic chemist and have the right precursors) which is how most people run across it. the toads are endangered, so please, do not lick them.
no. but 5-MeO-DMT is naturally produced in some frog and it's a useful defense mechanism. that's why it's called Toad Venom and some people will collect the secretions on glass, dry it, scrape it into a powder and smoke it.
but it's also easy to synthesize synthetically (if you're an organic chemist and have the right precursors) which is how most people run across it. the toads are endangered, so please, do not lick them.
Buni (OP) double-posted this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,359
shelly replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,360
@1,188,353 (Buni)
do you understand how everything is alive. it's like a chain of infinite consciousness extending though space and time but overlapping ours. do you know what i mean
do you understand how everything is alive. it's like a chain of infinite consciousness extending though space and time but overlapping ours. do you know what i mean
Buni (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,362
@1,188,350 (shelly)
yeah. YHVH. the name of god. words like Xlp'qkwht are the kinds of new words you'll forget and try and remember after DMT. and you'll remember you forgot them on subsequent trips. "oh, yeah, xlp'qkwht! that's how you say it."
i mean, hallucinating that hard is absolutely nothing to find any real meaningful answers about existence. it's really probably like being massively retarded from severe head trauma. that'll make you think about god and words without vowels too.
yeah. YHVH. the name of god. words like Xlp'qkwht are the kinds of new words you'll forget and try and remember after DMT. and you'll remember you forgot them on subsequent trips. "oh, yeah, xlp'qkwht! that's how you say it."
i mean, hallucinating that hard is absolutely nothing to find any real meaningful answers about existence. it's really probably like being massively retarded from severe head trauma. that'll make you think about god and words without vowels too.
Buni (OP) double-posted this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,364
@1,188,360 (shelly)
yup. i know exactly what that means. and it's probably absolute and utter nonsense and not a truly meaningful hallucination, but, like, idk. but i feel you. it's intense, and it's very much like that description.
yup. i know exactly what that means. and it's probably absolute and utter nonsense and not a truly meaningful hallucination, but, like, idk. but i feel you. it's intense, and it's very much like that description.
Buni (OP) triple-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,365
@1,188,360 (shelly)
and it may be true and how the universe works, idk. i was tripping balls. so. your mileage may vary.
and it may be true and how the universe works, idk. i was tripping balls. so. your mileage may vary.
Buni (OP) quadruple-posted this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,366
i was a tree that had each leaf carved from each root by slicing the leaf down the middle and along the talk and stem and down the branch and through the trunk and out to the tip of every root. that was me. each leaf just like that. leaf, branch, trunk and roots. 10,000 leaves and trunks and millions of roots. each leaf was me, each branch each trunk and roots. mememememememememememememememememememe
Buni (OP) quintuple-posted this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,367
all at once. outside of time. no cause or effect to relate anything. just, raw, open input from all perception like feeling yourself as a person as you would view the world through a kaleidoscope.
Buni (OP) sextuple-posted this 3 years ago, 43 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,368
but still, that's just the first few minutes.
Buni (OP) septuple-posted this 3 years ago, 18 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,377
it may not mean much of anything to have the experience. a lot of people take meaning from it, but, it is just what happens when your brain is MASSIVELY misfiring electrically and in a state of fault. it may be similar to what you'd experience if egg beaters were stuck in your brain and turned on. you would experience SOMETHING as your brain gets blended and whipped like heavy cream into foam. and that would be an actual real experience, but i wouldn't think it would necessarily generate a meaningful spiritual experience even if, as they say, death delivers us into once. maybe DMT is what having scrambled brains feels like, or maybe the hallucinations from psychedelics are just less real and less meaningful than having scrambled brains as far as the nature of reality and existence are concerned.
or...
or...
Buni (OP) octuple-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,378
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...now is the future reflection of the past with relative simultaneity for observers... but if you knock on a rock is it aware to observe it's existence?
Am I just a highly complex rock?
...or am I the knock.
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Rock.
Rock who?
I am the rock who knocks,"knock, knock."
WHO'S there??
... i... think therefor I knock. Or do I knock therefor I THINK I KNOCK?
When you knock, knock on Sabine's door you wait for her to answer and she gives you 2 more existential crises... I'm starting to think physicists are the world's most hilarious comedians but their jokes just go right over our heads because the punchline is just numbers.
They say Stephen Hawking had a great sense of humor but never did stand up AND I'M STARTING TO WONDER!
I get dumber every day. Getting smarter makes me stupider, y'all.
Buni (OP) nonuple-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,379
not the first time i've considered that i just get more dumb from having learned things
Buni (OP) decuple-posted this 3 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,381
it'd be nice if y'all'd just stalk me on facebook so i wouldn't have to share this content back and forth, because a lot of this has already been covered over there weeks ago. otherwise i'll have to start another cult and the last one... well, nevermind, but it's just easier to do one content dump for each one of my dives in the sea of unknowables. time, sentience, individuality, existence, kerbal space program, it's just a lot to keep having to cover this stuff more than once, which should really be enough.
Buni (OP) undecuple-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,382
okay, ill be back maybe. here's a outteroWSD !m2cp3rR5zw joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 18 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,628
Did you get lost in the 4th/spiritual dimension and your false self did not survive the trip?
𝔹𝕝𝕠𝕞 joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,640
My takeaway here is that squeegee is now an absurdist
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KS joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,188,713
So, would you say your psychedelic experiences were a positive overall? They can have a big impact on people, good or bad.
Harlot (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 1 week later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,190,781
@previous (KS)
Sure. Tbh I've never had a "bad" drug experience. Or, well, intentional experiences. I took too much cough syrup once when I was sick and unintentionally robotripped and that was just awful. Ill never take robitussin again. Other than that, yeah, individual experiences were overwhelmingly positive in aggregate. I certainly would recommend people not do drugs for the most part. You will have a different life experience than one without sobriety. If your goals are things like mowing your lawn on Sundays, paying your mortgage off, steady career based work centric days, having kids in school, a long term marriage, affording further education than high school for you kids, good health in old age, and a comfortable retirement -probably don't do drugs.
If your goals can be summed as narcissistic hedonism then drugs may be your sure fire bet. It kinda depends on your moral flexibility, and a lack of virtue is probably the most telling indication that you won't care to worry about the impact. But, that can change, so, that's when you have to consider dismissing morals altogether. Like if you wanna keep doing moar drugs. Are you a hedonist or not? Are you actually narcissistic enough to live true to your ethical philosophy? Or are you JUST a failed drug addict? So, yeah. I mean, I guess it makes you ponder your own commitment to lacking true ideals.
Sure. Tbh I've never had a "bad" drug experience. Or, well, intentional experiences. I took too much cough syrup once when I was sick and unintentionally robotripped and that was just awful. Ill never take robitussin again. Other than that, yeah, individual experiences were overwhelmingly positive in aggregate. I certainly would recommend people not do drugs for the most part. You will have a different life experience than one without sobriety. If your goals are things like mowing your lawn on Sundays, paying your mortgage off, steady career based work centric days, having kids in school, a long term marriage, affording further education than high school for you kids, good health in old age, and a comfortable retirement -probably don't do drugs.
If your goals can be summed as narcissistic hedonism then drugs may be your sure fire bet. It kinda depends on your moral flexibility, and a lack of virtue is probably the most telling indication that you won't care to worry about the impact. But, that can change, so, that's when you have to consider dismissing morals altogether. Like if you wanna keep doing moar drugs. Are you a hedonist or not? Are you actually narcissistic enough to live true to your ethical philosophy? Or are you JUST a failed drug addict? So, yeah. I mean, I guess it makes you ponder your own commitment to lacking true ideals.
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 3 days later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,191,444
I love DMT so much