Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,181,001
@previous (E)
They absolutely would if they were paid living wages. People do much worse jobs than picking fruit. I've even had very poor members of my family have share cropping type jobs. All white
Also the solution to getting unpleasant jobs done, is never creating a class of people who have no choice. It's inhumane and an awful way of seeing the world
Anonymous E replied with this 3 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,181,002
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
How many USAmericans do you really think would work a hard, soul-crushing, manual labor job for 18 hours a day, six days a week, even for good wages? Not many, I'll wager.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,181,003
@previous (E)
Not trying to be mean, but if you think picking crops is amongst the worst type of job, you must be very privileged or incredibly sheltered and naive
Also, there is no inherent reason that our farming laborers need to work 18 hours a day for 6 days a week. That happens because of low wages and predatory hiring practices that target some of our most vulnerable members of society
Anonymous E replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,181,005
@1,181,003 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
It is backbreaking (literally) labor. You have to be bent over all the time. It literally destroys your body and you die prematurely.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,181,006
@previous (E)
You could say that about nearly any physical labor job
What makes picking crops worse are the predatory tactics that force a class of people with no insurance or social security benefits (and very little rights) to work long, grueling days with no breaks and to live on very small wages
boof joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,181,012
I'm pretty sure the slogan about diversity is a reaction to overt racism incidents and is ham-handed attempt to counter racist attitudes. It feels like were being taught a get-along and play nice message in a playground because too many asshole kids are stirring shit.
> Why would immigration hurt the working class?
It's very simple supply and demand. As the quantity of something on the market increases relative to demand, the prices will fall. Labor is not much different from corn, housing, oil, or anything else in that regard.
@1,180,999 (E)
How much money does the fruit picking job offer?
> What makes picking crops worse are the predatory tactics that force a class of people with no insurance or social security benefits (and very little rights) to work long, grueling days with no breaks and to live on very small wages
No, it doesn't.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 56 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,181,027
@previous (F)
That's okay. I personally think we should try and get talented people from various countries and allow their families to come as incentive
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,181,032
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I'm pretty sure it's my god given right to roam this earth without having to explain myself or justify it to anyone or anything. Same goes for everyone. Drawing a line in the sand and standing behind it and pushing away anyone comes near is a playground game that should've been left there.
Dead !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 9 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,181,036
@1,181,016 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
If immigrants are taking all the jobs, why is everyone hiring?
@1,181,018 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I still think the root causes of working class inequality shouldn't be pawned off on immigration. If the working class was sufficiently protected/empowered, there should be no reason to have a problem with a regulated immigration. I don't know if humanitarian reasons are the only reasons to allow people to move to our country, but I also think that should probably count towards the immigration quota or goal. But also I'm not just arguing for unfettered immigration with no restraints and at the detriment to the people already here.
boof replied with this 3 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,181,046
@1,181,040 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
yes I see. though I always saw the melting pot metaphor as descriptive in that people can come from wherever and contribute what they have to the new melted whole, and are as american as anyone else regardless, and not a strict rule that has to be followed. There's been Chinatowns in cities for the longest time for instance.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 3 years ago, 17 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,181,049
@1,180,994 (Dead !Pool..v42s)
Immigration depresses wages amongst the lowest earners; it disproportionately impacts the working class. Lower wages for workers equals higher profit for capital.
> > >Immigration is good for jobs > > no, hurts the working class > it helps the working class
No, it doesn't. Mass, low-skilled immigration hurts the working class. The few based communist parties (e.g. Britain's CPB-ML!) are opposed to mass immigration on this basis.
tteh !MemesToDNA triple-posted this 3 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,181,051
@1,181,036 (Dead !Pool..v42s) > If the working class was sufficiently protected/empowered, there should be no reason to have a problem with a regulated immigration.
Few, if any, people oppose the sensible and steady introduction of skilled immigrants. Mass, uncontrolled immigration of low or unskilled immigrants hurts the working class. When you flood the market with immigrants who'll work for peanuts, it hurts the workers of that country.
It's easy for lefties to say "don't blame the immigrants, blame the rich!" which is of course true but in the immediate term that doesn't help.
Mass immigration is bad. It hits the most vulnerable the hardest. And then people turn around and are flabbergasted that the traditionally left-leaning working class are abandoning Labour and the Democrats and Die Linke and so on in droves. So fucking stupid.
tteh !MemesToDNA quintuple-posted this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,181,057
@1,181,002 (E)
Americans are just too good to pick fruit! So let's bring in some Mexicans we can pay absolutely fuck all and treat like dirt; I'm a progressive and forward-thinking person, you see. :^)
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 3 years ago, 48 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,181,060
@1,181,058 (E)
American workers would absolutely fill those jobs. Bussing in migrants you can pay peanuts only serves to keep the wages low enough they could never attract American workers!
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,181,061
@1,181,059 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw) > this could be solved by having a decent minimum wage
Absolutely. Until we get to that point, I'm against mass immigration. > UBI
No, I don't think UBI is a helpful idea.
> Immigration depresses wages amongst the lowest earners; it disproportionately impacts the working class. Lower wages for workers equals higher profit for capital.
Even if that were so, outsourcing exacerbates that problem even more so. How are you going to prevent that? Wall up the country entirely?
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,181,087
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
You present a line of possibilities. Isn't there an entire plane of possibilities, with the other axis being "send them all to gas chambers"? How much of an extremist are you in that dimension? Or are you equally not an extremist in all of them?
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 3 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,181,201
@1,181,007 (Erik !AltRitexT6)
I can get along with people even if I disagree with them, you know. Despite tteh having some extreme opinions, such as his gay supremacist views, he's still a pal.
But in this case, I think it's a valid point regardless. Too many unskilled immigrants can be a bad thing, for both a country's working class and the immigrants who are exploited.
I am unsure what the solution to this would be, though. On paper, a quota system of some kind sounds like a reasonable solution, but I'm not sure how practical or indeed fair that would be in practice. I'd be curious to hear about countries that have addressed this problem effectively.
Dead !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,181,264
@1,181,039 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I figure the desire to live in our country and be a productive member is probably the only reason that's not humanitarian.
@1,181,051 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Again, most of the issues with immigration that I'm getting from these arguments/statements come from an underprotected working class.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,181,266
@1,181,201 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE) > On paper, a quota system of some kind sounds like a reasonable solution, but I'm not sure how practical or indeed fair that would be in practice. I'd be curious to hear about countries that have addressed this problem effectively.
It's been done, and it worked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
It helped further dissolve the idea that one has the innate freedom to pack up, get on a ship, and move anywhere they please.
It's not at all different from how the world became comfortable with prohibiting marijuana and other substances. Just throw a minority group under the bus and people will quickly accept the idea that they can be told what they can and cannot put in their body. How they can and cannot modify their body at the most fundamental level.
Why not just drop the pretext and become a full-on skinhead with tteh, svet, and the rest of Britain?
> They absolutely would if they were paid living wages. People do much worse jobs than picking fruit. I've even had very poor members of my family have share cropping type jobs. All white > > Also the solution to getting unpleasant jobs done, is never creating a class of people who have no choice. It's inhumane and an awful way of seeing the world
if I could get paid more for picking fruit than selling pot I'd probably be picking fruit
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 3 years ago, 13 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,181,510
@1,181,264 (Dead !Pool..v42s) > Again, most of the issues with immigration that I'm getting from these arguments/statements come from an underprotected working class.
Yes. Let's focus on the working class of our respective countries, and then we can worry about everybody else. Right now, mass immigration hurts British workers and they're my primary concern.