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Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ started this discussion 15 years ago#10,455
I was talking with a friend and was able to make that person laugh a little at those words. What kind of a sick fuck laughs at partial birth abortion(s)?
!ocurburUbk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later[^][v]#186,020
Because it's not his babby.
jump? joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 33 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^][v]#186,027
I don't know. It seems so cruel, but they don't fucking know shit. They probably feel it, but I doubt they suffer more than typical for birth. It's a very difficult moral quandary.
I guess it really depends on how the chef prepares them. Kind of like foie gras.
TrollBuster3000 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 9 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#186,431
It's a question of liberty. People have a right to their life. It's not a question of pain people can be killed painless and it is still wrong.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#186,446
legalize mods end ron paul decadence 2012
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#186,448
Eh, you're usually much funnier than this. Try again.
jump? replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#186,453
Some say that rights are endowed by our Creator; some say that these rights are natural. Bears do not respect people's rights, but I am sure I do not have to explain what an intolerably moronic faggot you would have to be to suggest that human society be modeled after the behavior of bears.
Legal rights are given to us by the state, which of course has no standing to "grant" us rights, and no standing to take them away.
TrollBuster3000 double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#188,351
Are you suggesting that Africans and Native Americans are equal to small unsentient lumps of cells? Are tumours human?
stickybuns !bENfolDsOU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#189,685
Partial-birth abortion is not a proper medical term. It was created by anti-choice groups as a buzz word.
Some things to take into account:
1. 'partial-birth abortion' only happens in late-term pregnancies. If people keep the pregnancy that long, they most likely want a baby but they must get the procedure because of some medical reason.
2. 'PBA' keeps the fetus pretty much intact. anti-choice advocates bring that up as a reason why it's wrong. The reason they leave it intact, however, is so the family can hold/mourn what would have become their child (since they wanted the kid but couldn't have it, they're understandably going to be upset). Anti-choice advocates, however, are pushing for it to be illegal. The alternative to PBA pretty much destroys the fetus and the families chance of being able to mourn.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 38 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#189,694
I am having one right now!
cat !COOOOOLbus joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#189,695
swamplights !!V3J448+/B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 9 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#189,912
@187,638 (TrollBuster3000)
When does a fetus become a human?
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#189,924
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
His answer will most likely be "at the moment of conception".
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#189,926
Five days ago I started this thread as a shitpost that was somewhat related to a somewhat inside joke (no pun intended given the abortion angle). The fact that it has survived and spawned discussion boggles my fucking mind. If I wasn't in blackface and wearing makeup right now I would remove every one of my fingernails and jerk off with bloody hands.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#189,930
@previous (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
I think you're either drinking too much or not enough. I can never tell with you.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#189,932
@previous (E)
Confusion is the most intoxicating drink of all.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#189,935
@previous (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
I didn't know confusion could blow a .28 BAC
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#189,937
Please learn to read before participating in this conversation. I assume this in good faith, for the only other explanation is that you are engaging in a fallacy which cannot be named on this site.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 39 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#192,918
@previous (TrollBuster3000)
I don't think that's what it was. You are saying that live, non white humans have the same rights as fetuses.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#192,919
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Have you ever gotten anywhere by discussing subjects with him?
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#192,924
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
I've gotten an interesting look at the psyche of an overly religious pedophile. So it's all good.
TrollBuster3000 replied with this 15 years ago, 53 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#192,964
This is similar to the issue of when one ceases to be a human through illness &c. and becomes a vegetable. We can not know with any certitude or precision, yet we can act within probability for practicality.
The question, better phrased, is "When does one cease to be a human?" The answer is debatable but I would propose "When, to the best of scientific medical knowledge, a person is very unlikely to gain sentience."
TrollBuster3000 double-posted this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#192,977
Rights are not a "legal thing"; they are inherent (by nature)/ endowed (by Creator). Everyone has rights, regardless of height, weight, skin color, eye color, hair color, political views, religious views, &c.
It is bad to kill a human because it violates consent. Euthanasia is not bad because it does not violate consent. Self-defense is not bad because to attack someone you must first deny the right to life.
TrollBuster3000 triple-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#192,981
I am saying that live, white humans have the same rights as fetuses.
Your argument is awful; it is an appeal to emotion. At the time when colored people were denied their rights people used your argument, too. If an enlightened individual proclaimed that colored people have rights, a troglodyte would interrupt and exclaim "You are saying that niggers have the same rights as humans!"
Triptych !LightPenis replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#192,985
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#192,992
@192,981 (TrollBuster3000)
I believe that black people should have rights because they are individual people who can make decisions and abide by other peoples rights. Fetuses cannot.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#192,995
@192,985 (Triptych !LightPenis)
I've seen it and read a few good books about it. The West Memphis Three have been unfairly targeted for being "goths" in a small town. Johnny Depp is currently speaking out and campaigning for their freedom.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B triple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#192,997
@192,897 (TrollBuster3000)
Why do you only ever refer to the straw man fallacy? People use other inappropriate arguments, don't they?
TrollBuster3000 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,131
Fetuses are "individual". Does your requirement of individuality deny personhood to conjoined twins? Are people who temporarily lose their ability to make decisions (for as long as they maintain this state, at least) rendered inhuman?
TrollBuster3000 double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,133
People seem to use this one most commonly on this site. They never even get to a position to use other fallacies lol. I called out your appeal to emotion.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,136
All should be aborted anyways. And if you are really arguing personhood and individuality with the conjoined twins excuse then you are just splitting cunt hairs bud.
jump? replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,141
@192,977 (TrollBuster3000)
Ok, so our rights hinge on a creator. Prove there is a creator who handed down our rights and what he said those rights are.
TrollBuster3000 replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,152
> How the fuck did this turn into a sort of meaningful discussion?
This. This started as a shitpost.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,598
Well, I certainly don't think it's funny in an objective sense.
But it's damn funny to watch people defend try and defend this procedure.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 50 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,611
@previous (P)
I'll defend it if the health of the mother is in jeopardy.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B double-posted this 15 years ago, 38 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,612
@193,131 (TrollBuster3000)
Fetuses are not individuals when they are still inside their mothers body.
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 32 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,624
@193,611 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
But why not just suck the mother's brains out instead? At least then you won't have to worry about the whore coming back for another.
Anonymous P double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,625
@193,612 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Okay, so individuality is going to be the test for right to life now?
I know a whole lot of annoying sheeple we can start getting rid of if that's the case.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,627
@193,624 (P)
How do you know that they are whores? Even a married respectable woman might have severe pregnancy complications.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B double-posted this 15 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,628
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,637
@193,627 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
There's where you are wrong. "Respectable" women do not partake in this procedure--at least not by my definition. And since the very idea of what is and is not "respectable" is entirely subjective, my definition of the word happens to be the only one that matters, at least for me.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,640
@previous (P)
Some people have to do it to prevent death. I would rather be alive then respectable.
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,641
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
That's a doctor's opinion. Those morons will say the same thing about circumcision when the Jews pay them enough.
The eugenicists have always paid out better than the Jews though. Hence, the holocaust.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,642
@previous (P)
What? Women do sometimes have life threatening problems related to pregnancy. Do you think that doctors stage this event?
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,646
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Doctor's usually support procedures they're being paid for, yes. There's a motherfucking LONG historical list of unethical actions and procedures that were in fact supported by medical professionals of the day.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,649
A doctor would make more money long term by treating a mother throughout her pregnancy and birth then he would ever get by performing one single procedure.
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,659
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
You're forgetting about the eugenicists again, aren't you?
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,808
@previous (P)
Please explain to me further about how you think that eugenics is tied with the practice of partial birth abortions performed in America.
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 42 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,830
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Only the lowest of the low would ever have a partial birth abortion. But it's all good cause it keeps those "lowest of the low" genes from propagating.
Examine the stats if you don't believe me. There are profound racial and economic trends.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,846
@previous (P)
You say "lowest of the low" but most humans would do anything to survive. Also, do more poor and ethnic people have partial term abortions and or do they just have more abortions in general? Let's see some links supporting your views, I'm now interested.
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 29 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,874
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
It's not that complicated. How many fetuses have been aborted since the procedure became legal? What percentage of those are undesirables? 100% evidently. What percentage of those are black or poor? Now, do you think that is higher or lower than the population at large?
It's not that hard to figure out. And the best part. It's not even murder. The Nazis should've just scooped out all the Jew fetuses instead of bothering with those pesky gas chambers and ovens.
Just imagine how many more brown people there would be today without the miracle of abortion.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,878
@previous (P)
What do you mean that it's not that hard to figure out? I try to base my opinions on facts and I have no proof to believe that aborted children are undesired by anyone other than their parents.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,881
@193,874 (P)
And about your reference to the Holocaust, if abortion is being used to rid our society of undesirables, who is forcing the parents of these children to make that horrible decision?
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,900
@193,878 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Than you're just stupid. Were they in fact desired by society, society would reward women to have them as opposed to rewarding women not to have them.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,904
@previous (P)
How are women rewarded by having abortions? Many people who rail against single mothers are the same people who are anti abortion! These same type of people tend to promote abstinence only programs which have proven to be completely ineffective.
TrollBuster3000 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,980
Interesting that you would continue to use this definition of individual, despite having the case of conjoined twins brought to your attention. I can only assume that you believe they are not individuals, and as such, do not enjoy individual liberty.
TrollBuster3000 double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,981
> Claims that abstaining from sexual activity has been proven to be completely ineffective against preventing pregnancy and contracting sexual disease.
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,987
@previous (TrollBuster3000)
I'm not disputing the fact that the only sex safe sex is no sex. That's true. My problems with the abstinence only programs are not just because they teach abstinence. But abstinence only programs have not been effective in curbing teen sexual activity. So if it isn't working, we need to change some things.
TrollBuster3000 replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#193,995
YES I have rallied against this attitude in the church for a while now. It is based on some misguided notion of non-Christians being saved by their works. People would never say that (head knowledge vs heart knowledge) but their actions reflect that they feel this.
From a Christian statist perspective: non-christians are not bound by christian law.
From a libertarian perspective: (which I strongly believe is the only political philosophy compatible with Christianity) Christ set us free for... FREEDOM. He did not NOT set us free for more law.
All things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial.
Test everything, hold to that which is good.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#194,001
@previous (TrollBuster3000)
I also think that we should instruct children about safer sex acts. Such as mutual masturbation.
TrollBuster3000 replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#194,007
I don't know how you would change a whole culture though. You know?
People see penetration as REAL sex. Most people would see mutual masturbation as sissy and gay. Cause they watch so much porn as well and see all the hardcore stuff i wonder if they can limit themselves to safe sex acts. idk.
We need to try though.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 29 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#194,038
@previous (TrollBuster3000)
Most people wouldn't be comfortable with children being taught these things. Fucking Puritans.
TrollBuster3000 replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#194,281
Most people are retarded though aren't they? Kids are sexual. Kids are having sex by high school. This is undesirable with the babymaking and such so we should encourage them to pursue alternate routes of sexual expression.
Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#194,297