Anonymous A started this discussion 3 years ago#104,459
I can't say I fantasize about men but I wish I was gay. At night, I've not been having romantic dreams about women for years now, today I have dreams about dating men because having a woman attracted to me sounds so unrealistic even to my subconscious. It's just so hard to meet women's harsh standards, I'm trying to exit the red pill but it's a fact that if I were gay (or had an attractive face as a hetero male) I wouldn't be involuntary celibate, I wouldn't even know what the red pill is since I wouldn't have my dating insecurities in the first place. I'd have a boyfriend and also plenty of sexual experience with other guys.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,176,155
I'd suggest that you try sex with men, simply to find out if they turn you on. I don't mean anal. Try giving some guys blowjobs. Do you get hard? Or is it not a turn on at all? Are you able to orgasm when sucked?
Keep this a secret, tell no one.
If it turns out that you don't get turned on, go to plan B. Becoming more attractive. Unless you are slim, my opinion is to lose weight. I'd suggest losing a kilogram a month to make it easy.
PS the majority of women do not have "harsh standards".
I've found that women have various standards, some high, some low, some standards contradict other women's standards. You simply can't predict a woman's standards without spending time, in some cases lots of time with her.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,176,162
If I could go back in time to my teens and change one thing, it would be to spend time with women and engage with them and get more comfortable with them, asking them out, getting comfortable with rejection, seeing what skills I needed and how to develop those skills.
I'd suggest that OP has a 12 month plan on developing his abilities with women. Starting with:
Step 0: promise himself to never use dating apps
Step 1: talking to women he would never want to fuck
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 19 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,176,168
If you're into men then you're into men. Don't worry about shitty societal labels people put on you. Labels such as gay, bi, abro, pomo, etc. are nothing more than ways of further dividing ourselves in a failed attempt to make ourselves feel as if we're normal when that isn't something that needs to be proven.