Topic: David Hogg took the words right out of my mouth
JIM started this discussion 3 years ago #104,306
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #1,174,863
@OP
Governments kill more people than guns do. Thanks.
Governments kill more people than guns do. Thanks.
JIM (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 59 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,864
Anonymous B replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,866
@previous (JIM)
Do your own research. You can look up the statistics on Facebook or YouTube. Thanks.
Do your own research. You can look up the statistics on Facebook or YouTube. Thanks.
JIM (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,867
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Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 24 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,872
I'm sure the state sanctioned gun owners would never abuse their power once the average citizen loses their guns.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,878
@1,174,872 (C)
Cops kill fewer people per capita in countries like the UK, Australia, etc. that have very low gun ownership rates compared to the U.S. If no one has guns then cops are less likely to be on edge, because their lives are at considerably less risk. This is why historically cops in the U.S. have supported gun control (until recently when they became partisan Republicans).
Cops kill fewer people per capita in countries like the UK, Australia, etc. that have very low gun ownership rates compared to the U.S. If no one has guns then cops are less likely to be on edge, because their lives are at considerably less risk. This is why historically cops in the U.S. have supported gun control (until recently when they became partisan Republicans).
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boof joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,891
@1,174,872 (C)
> I'm sure the state sanctioned gun owners would never abuse their power once the average citizen loses their guns.
because the citizens are so fucking careful and kind?
> I'm sure the state sanctioned gun owners would never abuse their power once the average citizen loses their guns.
because the citizens are so fucking careful and kind?
Anonymous C replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,894
@1,174,878 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
The state doesn't need to pull the trigger to coerce their citizens, the threat is enough.
The state doesn't need to pull the trigger to coerce their citizens, the threat is enough.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,895
Anonymous C replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,896
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Murdering unarmed people, drug wars, prisons with forced labor, and more.
Murdering unarmed people, drug wars, prisons with forced labor, and more.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,897
@previous (C)
Yes I know what cops do when the population they are policing is armed. I want to know what kind of policing is happening in comparable countries to the US except their populations are less armed. Is that policing more or less abusive?
Yes I know what cops do when the population they are policing is armed. I want to know what kind of policing is happening in comparable countries to the US except their populations are less armed. Is that policing more or less abusive?
boof replied with this 3 years ago, 1 second later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,898
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@1,174,897 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
What percentage of US police shootings are unjustifiable (ie victim was unarmed and posed no real threat to police/others)? Is it 1%? 10%?
What percentage of US police shootings are unjustifiable (ie victim was unarmed and posed no real threat to police/others)? Is it 1%? 10%?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,906
@1,174,900 (C)
So cops in countries with few guns are not, on the whole, more abusive than cops in a country with a lot of guns. What is the benefit of an armed populace then? The cost is dozens of elementary school children murdered in cold blood, which is more than I personally am comfortable paying.
So cops in countries with few guns are not, on the whole, more abusive than cops in a country with a lot of guns. What is the benefit of an armed populace then? The cost is dozens of elementary school children murdered in cold blood, which is more than I personally am comfortable paying.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU double-posted this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,907
@1,174,905 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Cops say literally everything poses a threat to them. Little old lady in a wheelchair? Threat. Dog on a leash? Threat. You'll never get an accurate number but I'm sure there are ballpark estimates out there.
The armed/unarmed policing shooting distinction is sort of my point. If fewer people owned guns, then fewer cops would encounter people with guns that they feel threatened by and need to shoot.
Cops say literally everything poses a threat to them. Little old lady in a wheelchair? Threat. Dog on a leash? Threat. You'll never get an accurate number but I'm sure there are ballpark estimates out there.
The armed/unarmed policing shooting distinction is sort of my point. If fewer people owned guns, then fewer cops would encounter people with guns that they feel threatened by and need to shoot.
Anonymous B replied with this 3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,908
Anonymous C replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,918
@1,174,906 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> So cops in countries with few guns are not, on the whole, more abusive than cops in a country with a lot of guns.
They are much more abusive. Instead of the occasional tragedy, it happens every day for millions as people submit to tyranny.
> So cops in countries with few guns are not, on the whole, more abusive than cops in a country with a lot of guns.
They are much more abusive. Instead of the occasional tragedy, it happens every day for millions as people submit to tyranny.
Anonymous C double-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,174,919
@1,174,907 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
If cops don't distinguish between threats and non-threats, what good does it do to make some a non-threat?
First you say the cops don't treat you differently, and then say they would if you weren't a threat? Which is it?
If cops don't distinguish between threats and non-threats, what good does it do to make some a non-threat?
First you say the cops don't treat you differently, and then say they would if you weren't a threat? Which is it?
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@1,174,907 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
You could use the FOIA to request all the relevant reports and decide on a metric by which to determine if an officer involved shooting was justified or unjustified. It's ridiculous to just throw your hands up and say you can never have an statistic
You could use the FOIA to request all the relevant reports and decide on a metric by which to determine if an officer involved shooting was justified or unjustified. It's ridiculous to just throw your hands up and say you can never have an statistic