Topic: Are school shootings really that big of a deal?
Anonymous A started this discussion 3 years ago#104,240
Suppose you have a village up in the mountains, and once in a while a bus full of children drives off a cliff because of faulty brakes or the driver was asleep due to being on a meth bender or whatever to support his second job growing chickens.
You get the picture. Bad workers + dangerous environment = dead children
So now you have Sad teen + access to deadly weapons = dead children
Not much difference. A few tutt tutts about how we have to fix the road or fire the mechanic, then it's forgotten until the next time the bus goes off the road.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 19 seconds later, 6 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,174,174
Yeah. The level of discourse here (and everywhere) is underwhelming. It's surreal that it's so difficult to find views, like the ones you've said, that don't seem like a bot resummarizing the same old political talking points.
Anonymous B replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,174,176
@previous (C)
You sound like the textbook example of "the universe kills X number of people by accident" why are we caring about this population that could be easily protected by our actions??
> > Are school shootings really that big of a deal? > > Yeah, pretty much. Unless you think people shooting children is okay.
I see it on the same level of a guy who has two jobs and falls asleep while driving through a mountain pass while carrying a load full of children.
I guess if I were American I would care more, but I've seen this so many times I don't care anymore. Just like hearing about the bus falling off the cliff.
> You sound like the textbook example of "the universe kills X number of people by accident" why are we caring about this population that could be easily protected by our actions??
Why don't we care? Because if Americans cared there'd be laws to stop this sort of thing from happening. What happened in Australia, United Kingdom, New Zealand after mass shootings? They changed the law.
Anonymous C replied with this 3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,174,183
@1,174,179 (A)
The social and economic floors in those countries are substantially higher. If you've ever been to New York City or San Francisco, you'll know what I'm talking about. Not that the people on the streets are shooting up schools, but they're a particularly visible marker of very limited social support systems.
Culture is probably the biggest factor. With again, Switzerland being near the complete opposite extreme and having none of these problems.
Also, running public schools like the prison system probably doesn't help either.
But, regardless, statistically, the odds of dying in one of these freak accidents, even in America, is so low that there's several thousand other topics we ought to be worrying about instead. Many of them are also even easier to solve like encouraging people not to be fat asses. Or to not drink and drive. Or to not smoke meth and drive, ...
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 18 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,174,184
@1,174,176 (B)
Like homicide, it's actually down quite a lot from what it was a few decades ago. It's even more of a drop when you look at the per-capita figures. You can now walk away from a shooting that would have been fatal 50 or 60 years ago.
Anonymous B replied with this 3 years ago, 7 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,174,494
@1,174,184 (E) > Like homicide, it's actually down quite a lot from what it was a few decades ago.
No, not really. Please cite the figures.
> It's even more of a drop when you look at the per-capita figures.
Please show us those figures.
> You can now walk away from a shooting that would have been fatal 50 or 60 years ago.
Can you? Am I an android now? I can walk away from a shooting?? What the fuck does that even mean?
> How many bus drivers are falling off cliffs with buses full of children for this to be a blase thing tf
Enough for there to be tutt tutting about fixing the road but not enough to actually do something about it. Children have a lower monetary value because they are easily replaceable.