Topic: Suicide attempts are not a valid measure of unhappiness

Anonymous A started this discussion 3 years ago #104,029

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Has anyone else been looking at the attempted suicide rates for groups of people?

So about 60% of people die on their first suicide attempt. I can't get stats for second suicide attempt. After that, suicide success rates are very low. My country's suicide attempt number was really high, I'm thinking that New Zealanders are crap at killing themselves. I remember the success rate was about 1%.

What can we learn from this? If through bad planning or misfortune or a half hearted attempt you survive your first attempt, you're probably never going to die from suicide.

What this shows is this whole 'if you survive jumping from the Golden Gate Bridge your life is changed forever' fantasy is probably not true. You just suck at planning suicide.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 12 minutes later[^] [v] #1,171,983

> Suicide attempts are not a valid measure of unhappiness

I don't see how the topic follows from anything you've posted. How are you measuring unhappiness? Do you think that people trying to kill themselves, successful or not, are maybe happy instead of sad? Why do you think happy people attempt suicide if this is the case? I just don't get it.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,171,984

But you can see interviews by people who survived falling off of the suicide bridge

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 47 seconds later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,171,985

suicide rates for certain groups of people? what group of people could have led you to have this thought?

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,171,991

@previous (D)

Someone posted a picture of Elliott Paige, which made me remember something a trans prostitute said on TV once. She said that after trans women had surgery (yes, you know what being removed) the suicide rate increased significantly.

Anonymous B replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,171,993

@previous (A)
Was it because of all the shitstains hating trans people?

Anonymous D replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,171,994

@1,171,991 (A)
there are no actual suicide statistics for trans people. the meme number came from a flawed survey with a small sample size

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,171,995

Also why did you ignore the Golden Gate Bridge survivors?

Anonymous B replied with this 3 years ago, 14 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,171,997

@1,171,994 (D)
Fuck, I think I may have read that one.

There was one cited by the Daily Mail that was an online survey asking parents of trans kids to self identify and then asked them questions on a web form, one of which was a depression related question. Parents beings asked if their teenager was acting withdrawn or moody answered, unsurprisingly, yes. It turns out that asking for honest responses on trans forums from "parents" without verifying anything is maybe a bad way to collect data. Even if self-selected, self-reports are an accurate reflection of reality (which they aren't) then asking parents whether their (cis or trans) teen seems "moody" is a fucking stupid question that doesn't predict suicide. IIRC, the N in this study was maybe 250 and there were zero controls. This is the kind of shit that gets reported as "scientific studies" in the Daily Mail or by other main stream media sources.

Minichan