Topic: I am all for adults transitioning genders
Anonymous A started this discussion 4 years ago #102,928
But children? Their brains are not even developed. They cannot possibly be allowed to make profound, life-changing decisions at that age.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 36 minutes later[^] [v] #1,162,478
California allows children to transition as early as 12 years old even if their parents do not approve.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 years ago, 13 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,479
@previous (B)
I have to say that I am not good with that. Their brains are not developed enough to make ANY major decisions like that.
I have to say that I am not good with that. Their brains are not developed enough to make ANY major decisions like that.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,504
@1,162,478 (B)
Sound like they do have parental approval since that law only applies to wards of the foster care system…
Sound like they do have parental approval since that law only applies to wards of the foster care system…
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Jello Biafra (OP) replied with this 4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,510
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,512
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 43 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,515
Please, tell us what the psychiatric experts missed, @OP!
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 4 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,532
@1,162,478 (B)
> California allows children to transition as early as 12 years old even if their parents do not approve.
That's because California is the shithole of the United States. Best thing for that state would be for a 10.0 to shake that piece of ground back into the Pacific. Flush them fuckers down the hole.
> California allows children to transition as early as 12 years old even if their parents do not approve.
That's because California is the shithole of the United States. Best thing for that state would be for a 10.0 to shake that piece of ground back into the Pacific. Flush them fuckers down the hole.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 2 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,534
@previous (H)
But as far as giving California to Russia, you would more than double the Russian economy since Russia has the 11th largest economy in the world and California has the 10th largest economy in the world.
But with that said, we could just give the Russians San Francisco ,L.A. and Oakland without anyone missing them. But they would have to pack them up and cart them back to Russia.
But as far as giving California to Russia, you would more than double the Russian economy since Russia has the 11th largest economy in the world and California has the 10th largest economy in the world.
But with that said, we could just give the Russians San Francisco ,L.A. and Oakland without anyone missing them. But they would have to pack them up and cart them back to Russia.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 8 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,574
@1,162,504 (C)
The law allows kids 12+ to make their own medical choices regarding transitioning regardless of whether they are in a good home, or an unwanted ward of the state.
The article just says all foster kids get MediCal.
If you are 12, and you don't have insurance because your lower class parents didn't abandon you, you might not get HRT because of financial issues. They parents can't stop the prescription, though, if the kid found a way to pay.
The law allows kids 12+ to make their own medical choices regarding transitioning regardless of whether they are in a good home, or an unwanted ward of the state.
The article just says all foster kids get MediCal.
If you are 12, and you don't have insurance because your lower class parents didn't abandon you, you might not get HRT because of financial issues. They parents can't stop the prescription, though, if the kid found a way to pay.
Anonymous C replied with this 4 years ago, 3 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,610
@previous (J)
just for you, I will post the ‘LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST’ of the bill.
where does it mention anybody who isn’t in the foster care system?
just for you, I will post the ‘LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST’ of the bill.
LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST
AB 2119, Gloria. Foster care: gender affirming health care and mental health care.
Existing law provides that it is the policy of the state that all minors and nonminors in foster care have specified rights, including, among others, the right to receive medical, dental, vision, and mental health services, the right to be involved in the development of their own case plans and plans for permanent placement, and the right to be placed in out-of-home care according to their gender identity, regardless of the gender or sex listed in their court or child welfare records.
This bill would provide that the rights of minors and nonminors in foster care, as described above, include the right to be involved in the development of case plan elements related to placement and gender affirming health care, with consideration of their gender identity. The bill would also provide that the right of minors and nonminors in foster care to health care and mental health care includes covered gender affirming health care and gender affirming mental health care, as defined. The bill would require the State Department of Social Services, in consultation with the State Department of Health Care Services and other stakeholders, to develop guidance and describe best practices to identify, coordinate, and support foster youth seeking access to gender affirming health care and gender affirming mental health care and to incorporate current guidance on ensuring access to Medi-Cal services for transgender beneficiaries. The bill would require the department to issue written guidance by January 1, 2020. The bill would also include a statement of legislative findings and declarations.
AB 2119, Gloria. Foster care: gender affirming health care and mental health care.
Existing law provides that it is the policy of the state that all minors and nonminors in foster care have specified rights, including, among others, the right to receive medical, dental, vision, and mental health services, the right to be involved in the development of their own case plans and plans for permanent placement, and the right to be placed in out-of-home care according to their gender identity, regardless of the gender or sex listed in their court or child welfare records.
This bill would provide that the rights of minors and nonminors in foster care, as described above, include the right to be involved in the development of case plan elements related to placement and gender affirming health care, with consideration of their gender identity. The bill would also provide that the right of minors and nonminors in foster care to health care and mental health care includes covered gender affirming health care and gender affirming mental health care, as defined. The bill would require the State Department of Social Services, in consultation with the State Department of Health Care Services and other stakeholders, to develop guidance and describe best practices to identify, coordinate, and support foster youth seeking access to gender affirming health care and gender affirming mental health care and to incorporate current guidance on ensuring access to Medi-Cal services for transgender beneficiaries. The bill would require the department to issue written guidance by January 1, 2020. The bill would also include a statement of legislative findings and declarations.
where does it mention anybody who isn’t in the foster care system?
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,638
@previous (C)
Different article: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/transgender-kids-eligible-for-earlier-medical-intervention-under-new-guidelines/19909/
Says kids can get HRT at 16, but are considering lowering that age.
There are already general medical laws allowing children to make their own medical decisions without parental approval.
In Oregon it's 15.
If a doctor felt that HRT was appropriate for a 12+ in California, it's not clear there's any laws that would make them check with the parents first. They might make that choice on their own, but legally prescribing medicine is generally between a doctor and patient - even for kids.
Different article: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/transgender-kids-eligible-for-earlier-medical-intervention-under-new-guidelines/19909/
Says kids can get HRT at 16, but are considering lowering that age.
There are already general medical laws allowing children to make their own medical decisions without parental approval.
In Oregon it's 15.
If a doctor felt that HRT was appropriate for a 12+ in California, it's not clear there's any laws that would make them check with the parents first. They might make that choice on their own, but legally prescribing medicine is generally between a doctor and patient - even for kids.
Anonymous G replied with this 4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,640
@previous (K)
Can you not see that OP and "Anon C" have both figured something out that the experts of psychiatric medicine have missed!?
Can you not see that OP and "Anon C" have both figured something out that the experts of psychiatric medicine have missed!?
boof joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,654
hey folks, I got a clit transplant
