Topic: Remember a year ago, when some said that people taking the vaccine would be dead within six months?
Anonymous A started this discussion 4 years ago #102,762
Ha-ha(in fairness, a lot of the people who said that are probably dead now)
boof joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 19 minutes later[^] [v] #1,160,908
whtey sthey sos sreatearded?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 31 minutes later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,910
MAGA Cletus joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,914
I knows more than them thar pandemic expurts!
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,921
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 7 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,939
Massachusetts' COVID death toll just retroactively decreased by 16%: https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/03/10/massachusetts-covid-death-definition/
> The state said currently the COVID death definition includes anyone who has the disease listed as a cause of death on their death certificate. It also includes anyone who had a diagnosis within 60 days but did not have it listed as a cause on their death certificate.
If I'm reading this right, testing positive for COVID (no matter the severity) and then later dying of totally unrelated causes in the next two months (e.g. car accident, fentanyl, fell down the stairs) would have been counted as a "COVID death".
I wonder if other states were operating under similar definitions? I find it hard to believe the other 49 states didn't do something like this 🤔
> The state said currently the COVID death definition includes anyone who has the disease listed as a cause of death on their death certificate. It also includes anyone who had a diagnosis within 60 days but did not have it listed as a cause on their death certificate.
If I'm reading this right, testing positive for COVID (no matter the severity) and then later dying of totally unrelated causes in the next two months (e.g. car accident, fentanyl, fell down the stairs) would have been counted as a "COVID death".
I wonder if other states were operating under similar definitions? I find it hard to believe the other 49 states didn't do something like this 🤔
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 46 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,940
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 4 years ago, 1 hour later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,945
@1,160,939 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
That is exactly what happened. Many died with covid...not from it, in all 50 stated.
That is exactly what happened. Many died with covid...not from it, in all 50 stated.
boof replied with this 4 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,947
I heard some died of COVID for real
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 4 years ago, 7 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,948
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 years ago, 1 hour later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,970
@1,160,939 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> Massachusetts' COVID death toll just retroactively decreased by 16%: https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/03/10/massachusetts-covid-death-definition/
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> > The state said currently the COVID death definition includes anyone who has the disease listed as a cause of death on their death certificate. It also includes anyone who had a diagnosis within 60 days but did not have it listed as a cause on their death certificate.
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> If I'm reading this right, testing positive for COVID (no matter the severity) and then later dying of totally unrelated causes in the next two months (e.g. car accident, fentanyl, fell down the stairs) would have been counted as a "COVID death".
You were not reading it right. You may have been reading a sensationalized version of the story. There is nothing in Massachusetts Department of Public Health Report about car crashes, fentanyl, gun shots, accidents, or anything else. No one is counting that as COVID.
Massachusetts just lowered their reporting threshold from 60 to 30 days, meaning that people who had existing conditions who had deaths that may be contributed to by COVID will not be counted as being directly attributed to COVID.
> Massachusetts' COVID death toll just retroactively decreased by 16%: https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/03/10/massachusetts-covid-death-definition/
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> > The state said currently the COVID death definition includes anyone who has the disease listed as a cause of death on their death certificate. It also includes anyone who had a diagnosis within 60 days but did not have it listed as a cause on their death certificate.
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> If I'm reading this right, testing positive for COVID (no matter the severity) and then later dying of totally unrelated causes in the next two months (e.g. car accident, fentanyl, fell down the stairs) would have been counted as a "COVID death".
You were not reading it right. You may have been reading a sensationalized version of the story. There is nothing in Massachusetts Department of Public Health Report about car crashes, fentanyl, gun shots, accidents, or anything else. No one is counting that as COVID.
Massachusetts just lowered their reporting threshold from 60 to 30 days, meaning that people who had existing conditions who had deaths that may be contributed to by COVID will not be counted as being directly attributed to COVID.
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 4 years ago, 13 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,971
Still, the death rate among unvaccinated people is too high to argue about. Show me some really good proof about unvaccinated people not dying.
Also, I'm fully vaxxed, boosted, and not dead. So, ha-ha.
I'm also not:
- magnetic
- a cyborg
- turned into a Jew reptile
- exploding
- a zombie
- bleeding out my eyes
- activated by 5G radiation
(these are all real things I've heard people say)
Also, I'm fully vaxxed, boosted, and not dead. So, ha-ha.
I'm also not:
- magnetic
- a cyborg
- turned into a Jew reptile
- exploding
- a zombie
- bleeding out my eyes
- activated by 5G radiation
(these are all real things I've heard people say)
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 4 years ago, 5 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,972
@1,160,970 (A)
The car crash/fentanyl/stairs thing was my own thought The article says nothing like that. I was just asking if it was hypothetically possible.
The car crash/fentanyl/stairs thing was my own thought The article says nothing like that. I was just asking if it was hypothetically possible.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 years ago, 11 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,976
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
What isn't hypothetically possible in the world of "just asking questions"? We could blame aliens. Or space lasers.
I really just like arguing with you sometimes. You always seem to have a more creative response than I could have come up with.
What isn't hypothetically possible in the world of "just asking questions"? We could blame aliens. Or space lasers.
I really just like arguing with you sometimes. You always seem to have a more creative response than I could have come up with.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 4 years ago, 30 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,979
@1,160,970 (A)
> You were not reading it right. You may have been reading a sensationalized version of the story.
Is CBS fake news? I know this is a local news story but WBZ CBS Boston is owned and operated by CBS so this isn't a Sinclair Broadcasting type situation where it's branded CBS but actually run by MAGA people.
> Massachusetts just lowered their reporting threshold from 60 to 30 days, meaning that people who had existing conditions who had deaths that may be contributed to by COVID will not be counted as being directly attributed to COVID.
I guess it's the old question of whether you want to make type 1 or type 2 errors. I've no doubt changing the methodology will cause some genuine COVID deaths to be uncounted like the old one caused some non-COVID deaths to be counted as such.
> You were not reading it right. You may have been reading a sensationalized version of the story.
Is CBS fake news? I know this is a local news story but WBZ CBS Boston is owned and operated by CBS so this isn't a Sinclair Broadcasting type situation where it's branded CBS but actually run by MAGA people.
> Massachusetts just lowered their reporting threshold from 60 to 30 days, meaning that people who had existing conditions who had deaths that may be contributed to by COVID will not be counted as being directly attributed to COVID.
I guess it's the old question of whether you want to make type 1 or type 2 errors. I've no doubt changing the methodology will cause some genuine COVID deaths to be uncounted like the old one caused some non-COVID deaths to be counted as such.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 years ago, 2 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,017
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)> Is CBS fake news?
You know that's really not the question. It's a matter of what some editor/producer thinks about why people pay attention to stuff for ads and clicks. I don't know that reclassifying deaths is going to make things better.
I linked the public health report. There's nothing in there about faking COVID deaths from car crashes or whatever. It's just a bland bureaucratic document about how grandma who already couldn't go anywhere without an oxygen tank might not be counted as a COVID death even if she did have COVID. A story out of Massachusetts doesn't really make the numbers change significantly. It doesn't even alter the death rate for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated
> I guess it's the old question of whether you want to make type 1 or type 2 errors.
There's a certain amount of black-and-white thinking that goes on when it comes to some problems. I feel like this is wrong. Exposing nursing homes to flu, polio, or sarin gas and then blaming old age for their death isn't exactly intellectually rigorous thought.
I'm mostly trying to highlight the misinformation about vaccines that got trumpeted and amplified on social media a year back so that people can remember all the stupid shit that got said. Maybe some people in the future won't run into the social media rumor mill so often.