For every letter you type on a Huawei device, you kill one Uighur.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,148,953
@previous (blom)
this is what i never got about the whole huawei fear. iphones are made by chinese people in chinese factories under chinese government control without reliable oversight from any other parties. if they wanted to spy on you through iphones nothing is stopping them
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 26 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,148,961
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,148,964
@1,148,941 (dw)
I in fact have stolen every piece of electronic equipment that I own.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,148,976
@1,148,961 (blom)
I use a Sony so does that also kill Jews and Indonesians and whatnot?
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 15 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,148,978
@1,148,953 (dw)
The concern is that because Huwawei would build the infrastructure and store data, the Chinese government could then force Hauwei to hand over data they have.
This isn't a concern with iPhones and such, because the Chinese aren't retraining any user data from it. Once the iPhone is sent out, that's the end of their involvement. And planting some sort of spy software or hardware into the iPhones would obviously be noticed.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 7 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,149,056
I understand the concern, I don't understand why it's not one with non-Chinese (or I guess just non-Huawei) brands. Why would spying technology in an iPhone be obvious, but not possible to detect in a Huawei?
Do you think that if the Party came to Foxconn and asked them to add a wee program to the firmware of every iPhone there's even a slight chance they wouldn't?
If the goal was having a microphone in every non-Chinese household, why haven't they just added them to any random electronic? No one's going to check a lightbulb or calculator for recording equipment, and it would be trivial to add some.
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Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 2 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,149,104
If one views 5G telecommunications networks as critical infrastructure, then the lack of smoking-gun evidence that a company has previously rigged its hardware at the behest of a foreign government is not dispositive of whether to allow that company’s equipment in 5G networks. The question is whether the risks of espionage or sabotage are unacceptably high, which depends in part on whether the company can credibly claim to be independent of the foreign government in question. This may help to explain why Western governments broadly agree that Huawei poses security risks, even as they may differ over how to manage or mitigate those risks.
There is ample evidence to suggest that no major Chinese company is independent of the Chinese government and Communist Party — and Huawei, which China’s government and military tout as a “national champion,” is no exception. Allowing Huawei’s inclusion in our 5G infrastructure could seriously jeopardize our national security [...] This is not about finding “backdoors” in current Huawei products — that’s a fool’s errand. Software reviews of existing Huawei products are not sufficient to preclude the possibility of a vendor pushing a malicious update that enables surveillance in the future. Any supposedly safe Chinese product is one firmware update away from being an insecure Chinese product.
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dw replied with this 5 years ago, 24 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,149,110
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE)
You don't understand, Killer Lettuce. I'm not saying that either. I'm saying that it is as easy for China to collect and send data from a Huawei 5G tower as one from a different brand. Factories in China are under Chinese control, Western companies need China more than China needs them, and they know it.
To think a device produced in China isnt being spied on because it has an English brand name attached is just naive.
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 11 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,149,114
@previous (dw) > I don't understand why Huawei is a considered a security risk > > Here's an article with several relevant experts explaining why Huawei particularly is considered a risk > No
Allright, dreamworks. Good talk.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,149,115
@1,149,104 (Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE)
Also > Complaint about privacy with an amp link in it
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,149,116
@previous (dw)
I did try to remove that, but my attempt broke the link so I lazily left it in.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 53 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,149,118
..where did you get the idea I don't think it's a security risk? I think its not more of one than any other device made in china. as long as you are producing in china you are getting tracked.
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Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,149,119
@previous (dw)
...And I am saying that a Chinese company merely making a phone is a negligible security risk compared to them creating telecoms infrastructure.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,149,120
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE)
why would it be? both guarantee your data being sent to china
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,149,172
@previous (dw)
Where is the data getting sent to China with iPhones and such?
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,149,196
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE)
My point is there's no way to verify nothing gets sent.
China (just like most other governments by the way) have shown that they want as much data as possible.
I can't think of a single reason they wouldn't backdoor iPhones, or use the ones Apple added for the US
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Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,149,213
@previous (dw)
And my point is that it presents a far greater security risk when they control infrastructure and store data, while backdooring phones they make would quickly be noticed.
But I think we have reached an impasse, dw. We're talking in circles. Let's retire here.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,149,216
This is what I understood your point to be from my very first reply.
It's why I asked you to explain how a backdoor would be obvious. The point of a backdoor is to be covert. The NSA backdoors in Windows/Facebook/etc. weren't obvious either.