Topic: fao bert
dw started this discussion 5 years ago #101,645
do you think you would have voted for a candidate with no political leadership experience had you known about the pandemic? or would you with hindsight have preferred one of the others
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 20 hours later[^] [v] #1,148,170
I mean he's still a rabid trump fanatic so i don't think anything would change his mind
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 28 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,179
@OP
> do you think you would have voted for a candidate with no political leadership experience had you known about the pandemic? or would you with hindsight have preferred one of the others
Political leadership?
Pffffft...How about actual leadership skills that Trump has in business and management of his multi Billion dollar business endeavors?
Political leadership experience lol.
Joe Biden has only had a job in 40 years as a ineffectual loser.
> do you think you would have voted for a candidate with no political leadership experience had you known about the pandemic? or would you with hindsight have preferred one of the others
Political leadership?
Pffffft...How about actual leadership skills that Trump has in business and management of his multi Billion dollar business endeavors?
Political leadership experience lol.
Joe Biden has only had a job in 40 years as a ineffectual loser.
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 23 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,190
@previous (C)
Six of his hotels and casinos have gone bankrupt. How do you manage to get a casino to go bankrupt lol
Also he's had an average of one lawsuit filed against him every day for ten years because he tends not to pay contractors.
Six of his hotels and casinos have gone bankrupt. How do you manage to get a casino to go bankrupt lol
Also he's had an average of one lawsuit filed against him every day for ten years because he tends not to pay contractors.
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Anonymous C replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,194
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,195
@previous (C)
> How much is his net worth?
Nobody knows because he's the first American president in 45 years not to release his tax returns despite promising to do so before the last election.
> How much is his net worth?
Nobody knows because he's the first American president in 45 years not to release his tax returns despite promising to do so before the last election.
Anonymous C replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,197
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,199
@1,148,179 (C)
Why would you need to look backwards to see if he is doing a good job at the job he currently holds? That was always pointless because his business was not publicly traded and no one actually knows what happened behind the scenes there beyond what Trump wants people to know. Was he a genius? Was he mostly a figurehead that delegated all his work to subordinates? Who knows?
Why would you need to look backwards to see if he is doing a good job at the job he currently holds? That was always pointless because his business was not publicly traded and no one actually knows what happened behind the scenes there beyond what Trump wants people to know. Was he a genius? Was he mostly a figurehead that delegated all his work to subordinates? Who knows?
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,201
@1,148,190 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
> Six of his hotels and casinos have gone bankrupt. How do you manage to get a casino to go bankrupt lol
It's actually surprisingly common. There are countless non-Trump casino bankruptcies. (these are pre-COVID btw):
https://www.casino.org/news/american-casinos-2015-the-ups-and-downs/
https://easy.vegas/casinos/profits
https://www.worldcasinoindex.com/guide/failed-atlantic-city-casinos/
Caesar's Entertainment (Caesar's Palace) also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2017.
Casinos incur a lot of expenses and taxes, and the house edge doesn't mean Income>Expenses. It's actually a surprisingly risky business subject to a lot of booms and busts.
> Also he's had an average of one lawsuit filed against him every day for ten years because he tends not to pay contractors.
What percentage of contractors have sued, though? Also, he maintains the contractors either failed to uphold their end of the contract and/or did shoddy work.
> Six of his hotels and casinos have gone bankrupt. How do you manage to get a casino to go bankrupt lol
It's actually surprisingly common. There are countless non-Trump casino bankruptcies. (these are pre-COVID btw):
https://www.casino.org/news/american-casinos-2015-the-ups-and-downs/
https://easy.vegas/casinos/profits
https://www.worldcasinoindex.com/guide/failed-atlantic-city-casinos/
Caesar's Entertainment (Caesar's Palace) also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2017.
Casinos incur a lot of expenses and taxes, and the house edge doesn't mean Income>Expenses. It's actually a surprisingly risky business subject to a lot of booms and busts.
> Also he's had an average of one lawsuit filed against him every day for ten years because he tends not to pay contractors.
What percentage of contractors have sued, though? Also, he maintains the contractors either failed to uphold their end of the contract and/or did shoddy work.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,204
@1,148,197 (C)
Oh come now, don't be coy, set out the full story:
"Trump is the beneficiary of several trust funds set up by his father and paternal grandmother beginning in 1949 when he was three years old.[4] According to the New York Times, he "was a millionaire by age 8",[2][3]"
He also received a half billion dollar loan from his father after having pissed away most of the money he'd already been given and is now reckoned to have enormous amounts of debt (owed to the likes of Deutsche Bank and Sperbank because no American banks would loan him money after all the bankruptcies) which is the reason he is desperate for people not to see his tax returns.
Oh come now, don't be coy, set out the full story:
"Trump is the beneficiary of several trust funds set up by his father and paternal grandmother beginning in 1949 when he was three years old.[4] According to the New York Times, he "was a millionaire by age 8",[2][3]"
He also received a half billion dollar loan from his father after having pissed away most of the money he'd already been given and is now reckoned to have enormous amounts of debt (owed to the likes of Deutsche Bank and Sperbank because no American banks would loan him money after all the bankruptcies) which is the reason he is desperate for people not to see his tax returns.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U double-posted this 5 years ago, 11 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,211
@1,148,194 (C)
> How much is his net worth?
Can I be honest with you? You know what genuinely fascinates me about you poor (as in without wealth) American folk who worship Trump? When I grew up I was dirt poor and lived in one of the crappiest regions of my country, much like you now, and for that reason I grew to despise the billionaires and the oligarchs and those who had inherited unfathomable wealth who were to a large extent responsible for those areas being as poor as they were.
But you Trump fans...you're the opposite. You guys have no wealth, yet you worship a guy who's a billionaire from birth. You have no real hope of a better future, yet you idolise a guy who tweets out pictures of his huge properties and lavish lifestyle, a lot of which is paid for by stiffing honest workers out of the money he owed them. You don't work yet you praise Trump's work ethic. It's so bizarre. You idolise a guy who, if he met you on the street and saw your station, would have nothing but contempt for you. He despises people like you. You ought to despise people like him, yet you don't, you love him. I find it so fucking weird.
> How much is his net worth?
Can I be honest with you? You know what genuinely fascinates me about you poor (as in without wealth) American folk who worship Trump? When I grew up I was dirt poor and lived in one of the crappiest regions of my country, much like you now, and for that reason I grew to despise the billionaires and the oligarchs and those who had inherited unfathomable wealth who were to a large extent responsible for those areas being as poor as they were.
But you Trump fans...you're the opposite. You guys have no wealth, yet you worship a guy who's a billionaire from birth. You have no real hope of a better future, yet you idolise a guy who tweets out pictures of his huge properties and lavish lifestyle, a lot of which is paid for by stiffing honest workers out of the money he owed them. You don't work yet you praise Trump's work ethic. It's so bizarre. You idolise a guy who, if he met you on the street and saw your station, would have nothing but contempt for you. He despises people like you. You ought to despise people like him, yet you don't, you love him. I find it so fucking weird.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,213
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 13 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,224
@1,148,211 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Thank you for this post. I agree and it's baffling as all hell.
Thank you for this post. I agree and it's baffling as all hell.
tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,227
Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 21 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,246
@1,148,211 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
That is why I called it a mind-control cult. It is irrational worship.
That is why I called it a mind-control cult. It is irrational worship.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,308
@1,148,211 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
@1,148,224 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
@1,148,227 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
@previous (Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE)
All four of you are missing the point. It's not about his wealth, it's about his class. Trump is rich but he is not a patrician. He is a prole who happens to be a billionaire. Because he is a prole, he can speak to proles and his message resonates with them. This is also why people who are not prole (ie the four of you) find him so irritating. This is something that Mitt Romney or Hillary could never do because they are not proles. His appeal among the working class is 100% a social class thing.
@1,148,224 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
@1,148,227 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
@previous (Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE)
All four of you are missing the point. It's not about his wealth, it's about his class. Trump is rich but he is not a patrician. He is a prole who happens to be a billionaire. Because he is a prole, he can speak to proles and his message resonates with them. This is also why people who are not prole (ie the four of you) find him so irritating. This is something that Mitt Romney or Hillary could never do because they are not proles. His appeal among the working class is 100% a social class thing.
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,311
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
What class are Dave from Russia, Matt, tteh, and myself in, then, if we are not working class? None of us are patrician lol. Dave from Russia said he grew up poor af, presumably in Russia.
I think you're misguided here.
What class are Dave from Russia, Matt, tteh, and myself in, then, if we are not working class? None of us are patrician lol. Dave from Russia said he grew up poor af, presumably in Russia.
I think you're misguided here.
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,317
@1,148,308 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Trump is not a prole. He's a billionaire member of the elite. I bet you think Farage is also a misunderstood prole.
> This is also why people who are not prole (ie the four of you) find him so irritating.
I couldn't have had a more working class upbringing. I find Trump irritating because he's an idiot, held in high esteem by other idiots.
Trump is not a prole. He's a billionaire member of the elite. I bet you think Farage is also a misunderstood prole.
> This is also why people who are not prole (ie the four of you) find him so irritating.
I couldn't have had a more working class upbringing. I find Trump irritating because he's an idiot, held in high esteem by other idiots.
Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE replied with this 5 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,320
@1,148,308 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
A prole? LOL He grew up the well-connected son of a multi-millionaire. Give me a break.
A prole? LOL He grew up the well-connected son of a multi-millionaire. Give me a break.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,321
@1,148,311 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
You guys are SWPLs.
@1,148,317 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Again, how much money you have and what class you are in do not necessarily overlap.
@previous (Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE)
Trump acts very prole. You have made many topics about this (eg having steak well done, liking McDonalds, etc)
You guys are SWPLs.
@1,148,317 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Again, how much money you have and what class you are in do not necessarily overlap.
@previous (Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE)
Trump acts very prole. You have made many topics about this (eg having steak well done, liking McDonalds, etc)
Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE replied with this 5 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,322
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
While that is true, you can hardly say he grew up prole and is an average Joe. He is simply a well-connected billionaire with a child-like mind.
While that is true, you can hardly say he grew up prole and is an average Joe. He is simply a well-connected billionaire with a child-like mind.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 36 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,323
@1,148,308 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> All four of you are missing the point. It's not about his wealth, it's about his class. Trump is rich but he is not a patrician. He is a prole who happens to be a billionaire. Because he is a prole, he can speak to proles and his message resonates with them. This is also why people who are not prole (ie the four of you) find him so irritating. This is something that Mitt Romney or Hillary could never do because they are not proles. His appeal among the working class is 100% a social class thing.
Donald Trump is not now and never has been a member of the working class (a "prole"). This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on here. His father was one of the richest men in New York and Donald Trump grew up in unimaginable luxury. If you're suggesting his uncouth, vulgar and piggish ways are what make him "a prole" then that's frankly offensive to all the people who grew up poor but are no more or less decent and educated than those who grew up rich. America's aristocracy is different to that of Europe but it is no less of an aristocracy and the Trump family are a part of it.
Donald Trump a fucking "prole", Jesus Christ. How has he managed to con you all like this? A fucking diet Coke and a bucket of KFC is enough for a billionaire trust fund baby to win the underclass vote in America?
> All four of you are missing the point. It's not about his wealth, it's about his class. Trump is rich but he is not a patrician. He is a prole who happens to be a billionaire. Because he is a prole, he can speak to proles and his message resonates with them. This is also why people who are not prole (ie the four of you) find him so irritating. This is something that Mitt Romney or Hillary could never do because they are not proles. His appeal among the working class is 100% a social class thing.
Donald Trump is not now and never has been a member of the working class (a "prole"). This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on here. His father was one of the richest men in New York and Donald Trump grew up in unimaginable luxury. If you're suggesting his uncouth, vulgar and piggish ways are what make him "a prole" then that's frankly offensive to all the people who grew up poor but are no more or less decent and educated than those who grew up rich. America's aristocracy is different to that of Europe but it is no less of an aristocracy and the Trump family are a part of it.
Donald Trump a fucking "prole", Jesus Christ. How has he managed to con you all like this? A fucking diet Coke and a bucket of KFC is enough for a billionaire trust fund baby to win the underclass vote in America?
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Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,324
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 5 years ago, 29 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,325
@1,148,311 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
> Dave from Russia said he grew up poor af, presumably in Russia.
By the way I'm English (grew up in Manchester) but emigrated to Russia after university.
> Dave from Russia said he grew up poor af, presumably in Russia.
By the way I'm English (grew up in Manchester) but emigrated to Russia after university.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,326
@1,148,321 (Meta !Sober//iZs)> Again, how much money you have and what class you are in do not necessarily overlap.
"Don't mind me, I'm just a billionaire member of the working class! How do you do, fellow proles?"
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,327
@1,148,323 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> A fucking diet Coke and a bucket of KFC is enough for a billionaire trust fund baby to win the underclass vote in America?
Plus he ate it with a knife and bloody fork, on his luxurious private plane...
And:
> I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/257552283850653696
Yet:
> Watching cable, he shares thoughts with anyone in the room, even the household staff he summons via a button for lunch or for one of the dozen Diet Cokes he consumes each day.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html
> A fucking diet Coke and a bucket of KFC is enough for a billionaire trust fund baby to win the underclass vote in America?
Plus he ate it with a knife and bloody fork, on his luxurious private plane...
And:
> I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/257552283850653696
Yet:
> Watching cable, he shares thoughts with anyone in the room, even the household staff he summons via a button for lunch or for one of the dozen Diet Cokes he consumes each day.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,328
@1,148,326 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> >Again, how much money you have and what class you are in do not necessarily overlap.
> "Don't mind me, I'm just a billionaire member of the working class! How do you do, fellow proles?"
Yeah but he's shitting a few Big Macs out into that gold crapper so he's practically Che Guevara.
> >Again, how much money you have and what class you are in do not necessarily overlap.
> "Don't mind me, I'm just a billionaire member of the working class! How do you do, fellow proles?"
Yeah but he's shitting a few Big Macs out into that gold crapper so he's practically Che Guevara.
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,329
Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE replied with this 5 years ago, 48 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,330
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,331
I now want Trump to make John Lennon's Working Class Hero his 2020 campaign song. Blast it out at his rallies when his family arrive in their limos and private jets and sit 500 metres away from the same MAGA minions they'd cross a road to avoid so much as looking at.
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,332
I do find it interesting how Trump is simultaneously relatable because he's a prole and a good leader because he is a billionaire businessman.
jodie !foster2PAQ joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,335
@1,148,322 (Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE)
> While that is true, you can hardly say he grew up prole and is an average Joe. He is simply a well-connected billionaire with a child-like mind.
like Dudley Moore in Arthur but less likeable
> While that is true, you can hardly say he grew up prole and is an average Joe. He is simply a well-connected billionaire with a child-like mind.
like Dudley Moore in Arthur but less likeable
Anonymous C replied with this 5 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,338
Haters gonna hate...its the liberal way.
dw (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,436
@1,148,179 (C)
well obviously you're not going to vote for biden you fucking donkey, i meant a republican candidate that actually had experience handling crises
well obviously you're not going to vote for biden you fucking donkey, i meant a republican candidate that actually had experience handling crises
dw (OP) double-posted this 5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,438
@1,148,321 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
That's pretty superficial, eating McDonald's does not mean you understand the working man. Do you think he's ever like driven himself anywhere? Or held a broom? Or mowed his own lawn?
That's pretty superficial, eating McDonald's does not mean you understand the working man. Do you think he's ever like driven himself anywhere? Or held a broom? Or mowed his own lawn?
dw (OP) triple-posted this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,439
@1,148,332 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Honestly if you receive half a billion dollars and don't become a billionaire soon thereafter you really need to check your pulse
Honestly if you receive half a billion dollars and don't become a billionaire soon thereafter you really need to check your pulse
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 32 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,148,445
BERT ADVENTURE
You are Bert, a well-known poster on minichan.org. Somebody has just made some posts that thoroughly deconstruct and question your political views. What do you do?
[ ] Carefully read the posts and attempt to write a post refuting the arguments against you.
[ ] Accept the validity of the points raised, and consider changing your mind on certain things.
[ ] Quietly leave the topic.
[X] Make a brief post insulting other posters and address none of the points raised.
GAME OVER.
You are Bert, a well-known poster on minichan.org. Somebody has just made some posts that thoroughly deconstruct and question your political views. What do you do?
[ ] Carefully read the posts and attempt to write a post refuting the arguments against you.
[ ] Accept the validity of the points raised, and consider changing your mind on certain things.
[ ] Quietly leave the topic.
[X] Make a brief post insulting other posters and address none of the points raised.
GAME OVER.
