Topic: I wish I could marry Alexa.
Anonymous A started this discussion 5 years ago #101,620
She always helps me out whenever I need a definition for a word really quickly, or a quick calculation, or to set a timer in the kitchen as I cook.dw joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #1,147,550
What's Alexa?
Coil E. Leafeon !QnI1ArmPmY joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,551
Legalise robosexuals
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,559
Coil E. Leafeon !QnI1ArmPmY replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,560
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,566
Itt: once again faggotry appears.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,570
She also doesn’t poot!
Coil E. Leafeon !QnI1ArmPmY replied with this 5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,572
@previous (D)
> She also doesn’t poot!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fLm7ZkmkWGs
> She also doesn’t poot!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fLm7ZkmkWGs
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Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 10 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,577
how about GLADOS in potato form
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,603
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,612
Alexa and Google Home creep me tf out. I don't want something listening to me all the time (yes i know my phone does that too)
blom joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,621
@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
You sound like my sister, she unplugs it every time she stays over and breaks the fuckin wifi light
You sound like my sister, she unplugs it every time she stays over and breaks the fuckin wifi light
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,625
@1,147,612 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Agree. I had a roommate that had one and I was always not happy about it being there. I don't want Amazon knowing every sound that is made in my house tyvm.
Agree. I had a roommate that had one and I was always not happy about it being there. I don't want Amazon knowing every sound that is made in my house tyvm.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 56 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,633
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,634
@1,147,612 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Boomers usually are scared of technology, progress, and anything new.
Boomers usually are scared of technology, progress, and anything new.
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 26 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,641
I wouldn't put that Alexa shit in my home if you paid me.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 5 years ago, 14 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,644
It can identify people based on the timbre of their farts
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,681
@1,147,633 (A)
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/amazons-alexa-never-stops-listening-to-you/
No it is not.
Look, if it wasn't always listening to you, how would it know when you said "alexa" or "google"?
@1,147,634 (I)
I'm 24.
And not wanting a massive corporation to have a 24/7 audio recording of the inside of my house isn't unreasonable. I don't know what they could do with that data or who they could sell it to. Maybe they could be subpoenad.
Same reason I won't get a DNA test from a private company.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/amazons-alexa-never-stops-listening-to-you/
No it is not.
Look, if it wasn't always listening to you, how would it know when you said "alexa" or "google"?
@1,147,634 (I)
I'm 24.
And not wanting a massive corporation to have a 24/7 audio recording of the inside of my house isn't unreasonable. I don't know what they could do with that data or who they could sell it to. Maybe they could be subpoenad.
Same reason I won't get a DNA test from a private company.
dw joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 23 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,683
@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
They have people going through unrecognisable commands (99% things not intended for the voice assistant) and transcribe it. Even if it's domestic abuse they make their minimum wage employees write every second of it down!
They have people going through unrecognisable commands (99% things not intended for the voice assistant) and transcribe it. Even if it's domestic abuse they make their minimum wage employees write every second of it down!
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 56 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,686
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,689
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,700
@previous (B)
What?
I wasn't planning to but then I got really sick with the corona so I had to. What does that have to do with anything?
@1,147,683 (dw)
Yupppp it's gross and I'd rather not participate in that.
@1,147,686 (blom)
Regardless, it's always listening. I'm very uncomfortable with that.
What?
I wasn't planning to but then I got really sick with the corona so I had to. What does that have to do with anything?
@1,147,683 (dw)
Yupppp it's gross and I'd rather not participate in that.
@1,147,686 (blom)
Regardless, it's always listening. I'm very uncomfortable with that.
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 15 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,704
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 45 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,712
@1,147,686 (blom)
is it? Assistant sends 10 minutes of audio around every noise it thinks might be hey google to these transcribing facilities is what i read. some employees got ptsd from their time at them.
is it? Assistant sends 10 minutes of audio around every noise it thinks might be hey google to these transcribing facilities is what i read. some employees got ptsd from their time at them.
dw double-posted this 5 years ago, 54 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,713
@1,147,700 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Yes, I also dislike how they force you to turn on location history on gmaps for functions that shouldn't even need
Oh and the wifi network geolocation
Yes, I also dislike how they force you to turn on location history on gmaps for functions that shouldn't even need
Oh and the wifi network geolocation
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blom replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,715
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 14 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,718
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,722
tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 35 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,731
@1,147,700 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
> And not wanting a massive corporation to have a 24/7 audio recording of the inside of my house isn't unreasonable.
They don't really record you 24/7 though. The Echo only 'listens' locally (as every similar device must, in order to function). Nothing is actually recorded nor sent to Amazon until the Echo is triggered by the wake word; that detection takes place locally within the device, without the need to transmit anything anywhere. Also, you can delete recordings via the app or their website, and you can disable the so-called "human review".
@1,147,704 (B)
Phones are far spookier, but they're essential to modern life and features like Google Assistant can be disabled etc., so it's not a fair comparison IMO.
> And not wanting a massive corporation to have a 24/7 audio recording of the inside of my house isn't unreasonable.
They don't really record you 24/7 though. The Echo only 'listens' locally (as every similar device must, in order to function). Nothing is actually recorded nor sent to Amazon until the Echo is triggered by the wake word; that detection takes place locally within the device, without the need to transmit anything anywhere. Also, you can delete recordings via the app or their website, and you can disable the so-called "human review".
@1,147,704 (B)
Phones are far spookier, but they're essential to modern life and features like Google Assistant can be disabled etc., so it's not a fair comparison IMO.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 15 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,736
@1,147,715 (blom)
oh, that's good i guess. privacy options are always very vague though, like it doesn't say that humans will be listening to recordings of you. They kept lying about it too until two of the employees leaked to journalists. there's also no way to know if they actually obeying the setting.
oh, that's good i guess. privacy options are always very vague though, like it doesn't say that humans will be listening to recordings of you. They kept lying about it too until two of the employees leaked to journalists. there's also no way to know if they actually obeying the setting.
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 26 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,744
@1,147,731 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Nothing is actually recorded nor sent to Amazon until the Echo is triggered by the wake word
Would you bet your life on that?
> Nothing is actually recorded nor sent to Amazon until the Echo is triggered by the wake word
Would you bet your life on that?
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 5 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,745
@previous (B)
Yes. You can monitor network traffic and observe nothing being sent. No faith in Bezos required.
Yes. You can monitor network traffic and observe nothing being sent. No faith in Bezos required.
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chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,783
@1,147,722 (A)
I don't think the world is out to get me specifically. I'm not that egotistic. I think corporations are happy to exploit people, and this sort of data is valuable.
@1,147,731 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I just...don't trust them. I find it creepy enough how ads are personalised based on my searches and history. I don't like how much data is collected in day-to-day life, I don't want them to be able to gather even more. And sure, they may not be doing anything untoward now, but they could sneakily start to at any time.
And as dw said, they did lie about the human review thing. What else could they be lying about?
Even if they're not listening 24/7, I don't like the idea of them listening, both to me and background noise whenever I say anything that sounds like a trigger word.
Imagine having a kid named Alexa lol
I don't think the world is out to get me specifically. I'm not that egotistic. I think corporations are happy to exploit people, and this sort of data is valuable.
@1,147,731 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I just...don't trust them. I find it creepy enough how ads are personalised based on my searches and history. I don't like how much data is collected in day-to-day life, I don't want them to be able to gather even more. And sure, they may not be doing anything untoward now, but they could sneakily start to at any time.
And as dw said, they did lie about the human review thing. What else could they be lying about?
Even if they're not listening 24/7, I don't like the idea of them listening, both to me and background noise whenever I say anything that sounds like a trigger word.
Imagine having a kid named Alexa lol
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,785
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,788
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL double-posted this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,790
And then there's shit like this, where it sent a recording of a couple's private conversation to an employee of the husband.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/17391898/amazon-alexa-private-conversation-recording-explanation
To clarify I'm not claiming this is an example of stalking. Just that errors are easier to mske and can have more serious consequences when you have a device that works on voice-recognition.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/17391898/amazon-alexa-private-conversation-recording-explanation
To clarify I'm not claiming this is an example of stalking. Just that errors are easier to mske and can have more serious consequences when you have a device that works on voice-recognition.
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 43 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,813
@1,147,783 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
True, true. Personally, I just find it bizarre how readily people surrender themselves to the incessant, daily assault on their privacy from $x, $y and $z (often, if you ask them, for reasons of 'convenience' or some such) but strongly maintain reservations when it comes to more 'obvious' data collection from the likes of Alexa, Siri, or Google Home/Assistant. I'm not trying to go all Fallacy of Relative Privation™, but the distinction is nonexistent and the difference in people's reaction is illogical - I'm all for a good hand-wringing, but people disproportionately focus on devices that happen to resemble traditional microphones/speakers/whatever, and it's absurd.
@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
That string of events is so unlikely it's equivalent to butt-dialling. Or accidentally copypasting the incorrect address into the To field of your email service/client. But, as ASR accuracy improves and the software/hardware is further developed, the chance of events like that will go from incredibly unlikely to astronomically improbable.
True, true. Personally, I just find it bizarre how readily people surrender themselves to the incessant, daily assault on their privacy from $x, $y and $z (often, if you ask them, for reasons of 'convenience' or some such) but strongly maintain reservations when it comes to more 'obvious' data collection from the likes of Alexa, Siri, or Google Home/Assistant. I'm not trying to go all Fallacy of Relative Privation™, but the distinction is nonexistent and the difference in people's reaction is illogical - I'm all for a good hand-wringing, but people disproportionately focus on devices that happen to resemble traditional microphones/speakers/whatever, and it's absurd.
@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
That string of events is so unlikely it's equivalent to butt-dialling. Or accidentally copypasting the incorrect address into the To field of your email service/client. But, as ASR accuracy improves and the software/hardware is further developed, the chance of events like that will go from incredibly unlikely to astronomically improbable.
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blom replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,816
> it doesn't say that humans will be listening to recordings of you
It says a small number of recordings are manually reviewed in order to improve services. You can also delete recordings at any time, in settings or by voice.
It says a small number of recordings are manually reviewed in order to improve services. You can also delete recordings at any time, in settings or by voice.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,817
@1,147,736 (dw)
> it doesn't say that humans will be listening to recordings of you
Except where it states that explicitly.
> it doesn't say that humans will be listening to recordings of you
Except where it states that explicitly.
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,819
@1,147,813 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Already Alexa deletes the recordings automatically if it determines it was a false awakening. All you see in the history is "Not available as not intended for assistant".
Already Alexa deletes the recordings automatically if it determines it was a false awakening. All you see in the history is "Not available as not intended for assistant".
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,822
@previous (blom)
Nice! I wasn't aware it did that. I remember hearing that they were going to introduce some 'safeguards' -- perhaps that's what they were referring to. Neat.
Nice! I wasn't aware it did that. I remember hearing that they were going to introduce some 'safeguards' -- perhaps that's what they were referring to. Neat.
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 59 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,823
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,824
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 58 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,825
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,826
@1,147,823 (blom)
Cool! I had no idea. I don't often review the history section of the app, tbh.
@1,147,824 (B)
You can literally use Wireshark (https://www.wireshark.org/) to look at what's going over your WiFi network. You realise this, right? The Echo isn't using a super-sekrit Soros/Bezos CIA Jew Parallel Internet to which you enjoy no access. It's using your network, and you can inspect, assess, review and manipulate whatever traverses it at your leisure, if you care to learn how. E.g. https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/WLAN#WLAN_.28IEEE_802.11.29_capture_setup
Cool! I had no idea. I don't often review the history section of the app, tbh.
@1,147,824 (B)
You can literally use Wireshark (https://www.wireshark.org/) to look at what's going over your WiFi network. You realise this, right? The Echo isn't using a super-sekrit Soros/Bezos CIA Jew Parallel Internet to which you enjoy no access. It's using your network, and you can inspect, assess, review and manipulate whatever traverses it at your leisure, if you care to learn how. E.g. https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/WLAN#WLAN_.28IEEE_802.11.29_capture_setup
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dw replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,827
@1,147,817 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
oh, that wasn't added until after the scandal then.
@1,147,819 (blom)
you have no way to know if they actually delete it (and how thoroughly) though.
oh, that wasn't added until after the scandal then.
@1,147,819 (blom)
you have no way to know if they actually delete it (and how thoroughly) though.
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,829
blom double-posted this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,830
@1,147,826 (tteh !MemesToDNA)No but they're AMAZON and they are risking a $11,220,880,000 fine because they're the MAN, man!
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 55 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,831
@1,147,829 (blom)
And you can have faith that you'll manage to get yourself a nice little pot of money if they're provably not observing your rights. ?
Seriously lol, GDPR compensation isn't just financial loss like people assume! We're talkin' USAmerican-style boo hoo "emotional distress" type damages, baby. ?
And you can have faith that you'll manage to get yourself a nice little pot of money if they're provably not observing your rights. ?
Seriously lol, GDPR compensation isn't just financial loss like people assume! We're talkin' USAmerican-style boo hoo "emotional distress" type damages, baby. ?
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,832
Coil E. Leafeon !QnI1ArmPmY replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,836
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,147,888
@1,147,813 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Personally, I just find it bizarre how readily people surrender themselves to the incessant, daily assault on their privacy from $x, $y and $z (often, if you ask them, for reasons of 'convenience' or some such) but strongly maintain reservations when it comes to more 'obvious' data collection from the likes of Alexa, Siri, or Google Home/Assistant.
I understand that. I also get why people feel differently about it though. When it's so blatant, it hits a little differently, psychologically. Like its almost a little insulting that they're not even trying to hide it.
It's also because it's new. People are used to the incessant daily privacy assaults, they just fall into the background of normal life. These are new, so they are much more noticeable. They also feel much more avoidable. Most people have a cell phone. It's an extremely useful device that feels necessary to people's lives. Most people use the internet because...it's ubiquitous and immensely useful. You need a phone number and an email address for loads of things in life. Managing your privacy online or from your phone, or removing them from your life, would be difficult for most people and a huge life change. But to avoid this, you just...don't buy an Alexa.
> Personally, I just find it bizarre how readily people surrender themselves to the incessant, daily assault on their privacy from $x, $y and $z (often, if you ask them, for reasons of 'convenience' or some such) but strongly maintain reservations when it comes to more 'obvious' data collection from the likes of Alexa, Siri, or Google Home/Assistant.
I understand that. I also get why people feel differently about it though. When it's so blatant, it hits a little differently, psychologically. Like its almost a little insulting that they're not even trying to hide it.
It's also because it's new. People are used to the incessant daily privacy assaults, they just fall into the background of normal life. These are new, so they are much more noticeable. They also feel much more avoidable. Most people have a cell phone. It's an extremely useful device that feels necessary to people's lives. Most people use the internet because...it's ubiquitous and immensely useful. You need a phone number and an email address for loads of things in life. Managing your privacy online or from your phone, or removing them from your life, would be difficult for most people and a huge life change. But to avoid this, you just...don't buy an Alexa.