Topic: $2400 Unemployment welfare bonus ends- Despair is in the air
Anonymous A started this discussion 5 years ago #101,522
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 16 minutes later[^] [v] #1,146,343
I'm worried for America. How many people will be evicted and end up homeless soon? Unemployment is capped at ridiculously low amounts in some states, nowhere near enough to live on.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 55 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,348
Eight or nine states average about $275 a week on the low end. Another seven are around $400...and the rest range between $500-$700+...with a couple at about $1000.
Add $600 to any of those amounts.
That's how much they have been getting to sit on their couch every week for two months.
Add $600 to any of those amounts.
That's how much they have been getting to sit on their couch every week for two months.
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 5 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,351
Millions of people have been getting an extra $2400 a month for two months.
With the two stim checks that will be $9600 in two months for a couple that were on unemployment in June and july.
And that's not even counting the sixteen regular unemployment checks they collected between the two of them!
Everyone else? $2400
With the two stim checks that will be $9600 in two months for a couple that were on unemployment in June and july.
And that's not even counting the sixteen regular unemployment checks they collected between the two of them!
Everyone else? $2400
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 6 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,373
@1,146,348 (A)
Unemployment comes from a fund that you pay into while working. They earned that money. It's not welfare. The amount you get paid is determined by how much you paid into unemployment while working.
And those are the maximum amounts. Most people don't get paid the maximum.
Unemployment comes from a fund that you pay into while working. They earned that money. It's not welfare. The amount you get paid is determined by how much you paid into unemployment while working.
And those are the maximum amounts. Most people don't get paid the maximum.
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Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,382
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,395
@1,146,373 (B)
How much came out of each weekly check for it? You dont even have a clue, lol.
From the first hour you work your employer is paying you a set wage per hour...from which NOTHING is withrawn for 'Unemployment insurance'
Technically your Employer 'paid into it' as part of their business expenses.
How much came out of each weekly check for it? You dont even have a clue, lol.
From the first hour you work your employer is paying you a set wage per hour...from which NOTHING is withrawn for 'Unemployment insurance'
Technically your Employer 'paid into it' as part of their business expenses.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 13 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,401
@previous (A)
Depends on the country. In the US it's all funded by just the general pool of tax money but we have users from around the world here and it may be done differently in different places.
Depends on the country. In the US it's all funded by just the general pool of tax money but we have users from around the world here and it may be done differently in different places.
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,402
@1,146,395 (A)
That's a ridiculous terrible system lmao. Almost as bad as having health insurance tied to your employer. Regardless, you need to have been employed for 12 out of the last 15 months, in most states. You earn unemployment payments by working. The payment is a percentage of your average wages earned over that time period.
And you really think that the employer doesn't take those insurance payments out of your wages? You're really naïve if that's what you think.
Regardless, here's the average unemployment payments per state, much more informative than the max.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/23/average-unemployment-insurance-payment-in-each-us-state.html
Oklahoma pays $44/week lmao.
That's a ridiculous terrible system lmao. Almost as bad as having health insurance tied to your employer. Regardless, you need to have been employed for 12 out of the last 15 months, in most states. You earn unemployment payments by working. The payment is a percentage of your average wages earned over that time period.
And you really think that the employer doesn't take those insurance payments out of your wages? You're really naïve if that's what you think.
Regardless, here's the average unemployment payments per state, much more informative than the max.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/23/average-unemployment-insurance-payment-in-each-us-state.html
Oklahoma pays $44/week lmao.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 5 years ago, 31 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,404
@1,146,348 (A)
I think only Massachusetts has a chance at paying more than $1k/week. Most are around $3-500/week which is realistically just enough to get by in average cost of living places.
I think only Massachusetts has a chance at paying more than $1k/week. Most are around $3-500/week which is realistically just enough to get by in average cost of living places.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 9 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,406
@1,146,402 (B)
> And you really think that the employer doesn't take those insurance payments out of your wages? You're really naïve if that's what you think.
Your employer uses what they pay into Unemployment insurance from THEIR earnings and the guidelines for that are based on the amount they pay you. There is NO designated deductions from your weekly check for 'unemployment insurance'.
> And you really think that the employer doesn't take those insurance payments out of your wages? You're really naïve if that's what you think.
Your employer uses what they pay into Unemployment insurance from THEIR earnings and the guidelines for that are based on the amount they pay you. There is NO designated deductions from your weekly check for 'unemployment insurance'.
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 5 years ago, 5 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,408
@1,146,404 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Most are around $3-500/
Almost all are above $400
13 minus one or two are not... and if you round up to $400 those that are above $350 than it is less than 13. Thanks.
> Most are around $3-500/
Almost all are above $400
13 minus one or two are not... and if you round up to $400 those that are above $350 than it is less than 13. Thanks.
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Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,409
@1,146,406 (A)
You have never had a job long enough to get a pay stub explaining what benefits you are eligible for.
You have never had a job long enough to get a pay stub explaining what benefits you are eligible for.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 5 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,411
@1,146,408 (A)
By my count, 25 states have their max payment at $500, which is not to say you actually get that much. For instance in Texas, which has a max payment of $521, they calculate by dividing your income for one quarter by 25, and that's your benefit. S9 if you earn 32k/yr, that works out to 8000/25 or $320/wk if im reading it correctly. That's not that much money. The extra 600 is crucial.
By my count, 25 states have their max payment at $500, which is not to say you actually get that much. For instance in Texas, which has a max payment of $521, they calculate by dividing your income for one quarter by 25, and that's your benefit. S9 if you earn 32k/yr, that works out to 8000/25 or $320/wk if im reading it correctly. That's not that much money. The extra 600 is crucial.
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Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 13 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,412
@1,146,406 (A)
You misunderstand me. Your employer pays you less to make up for those unemployment insurance payments they make. You don't really think that they'd let their bottom line be affected by something that helps their employees from the kindness of their hearts, do you?
You misunderstand me. Your employer pays you less to make up for those unemployment insurance payments they make. You don't really think that they'd let their bottom line be affected by something that helps their employees from the kindness of their hearts, do you?
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Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,419
@previous (B)
These "employer paid" things are always a scam. In America, your employer "pays half" of your Social Security and Medicare taxes. But actually your paycheck is reduced by these amounts. I feel the same about taxing companies - that income goes to people.
It would be much easier if we just did a VAT and abolished all other forms of taxation. It's automatically progressive (the more you spend the more you pay) and eliminates the need to file taxes for individuals.
These "employer paid" things are always a scam. In America, your employer "pays half" of your Social Security and Medicare taxes. But actually your paycheck is reduced by these amounts. I feel the same about taxing companies - that income goes to people.
It would be much easier if we just did a VAT and abolished all other forms of taxation. It's automatically progressive (the more you spend the more you pay) and eliminates the need to file taxes for individuals.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 5 years ago, 8 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,422
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
VAT, like all sales tax, is actually quite regressive. Poor people spend a higher % of their income on consumption of goods than rich people do. A VAT tax that averages out to say 15% on goods means that someone who earns $25k/year and saves none of it has a 15% effective tax rate, while a person who earns $100k/year and saves 20% of it has a .8*.15 = 12% effective tax rate.
VAT, like all sales tax, is actually quite regressive. Poor people spend a higher % of their income on consumption of goods than rich people do. A VAT tax that averages out to say 15% on goods means that someone who earns $25k/year and saves none of it has a 15% effective tax rate, while a person who earns $100k/year and saves 20% of it has a .8*.15 = 12% effective tax rate.
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tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,423
@1,146,419 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> It would be much easier if we just did a VAT and abolished all other forms of taxation. It's automatically progressive
?
https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/01/04/why-vat-is-regressive/
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/who-would-bear-burden-vat
https://www.ifs.org.uk/fs/articles/tamaoka_may94.pdf
https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/10/progressive-tax-vat-poorest
> It would be much easier if we just did a VAT and abolished all other forms of taxation. It's automatically progressive
?
https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/01/04/why-vat-is-regressive/
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/who-would-bear-burden-vat
https://www.ifs.org.uk/fs/articles/tamaoka_may94.pdf
https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/10/progressive-tax-vat-poorest
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 42 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,425
Itt: Bert, the expert at unemployment benefits despite not being able to hold a job for more than a year 6 months 3 months 1 month..... 2 weeks.
2019 Subaru Owner joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,451
@OP
Unemployment is for the weak. Trump is against lazy people who beg for unemployment
Unemployment is for the weak. Trump is against lazy people who beg for unemployment
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,473
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,475
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,476
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 9 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,478
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/value-added-tax-terrible-idea-8395.html
You didnt use your own words.
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/value-added-tax-terrible-idea-8395.html
You didnt use your own words.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 11 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,482
@previous (A)
Fair enough! But you do realise that you're linking to an article that literally agrees with everything I linked?
> Besides, VATs are not a progressive tax, because the poor spend a higher share of their income than the rich.
Fair enough! But you do realise that you're linking to an article that literally agrees with everything I linked?
> Besides, VATs are not a progressive tax, because the poor spend a higher share of their income than the rich.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,483
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,484
@previous (A)Yeah, seems so! This is a rare moment of Minichan unity. VAT sucks.
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dw joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 8 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,146,643
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
it's one of those taxes a king would add but his people are too fearful and weak willex to rise up
it's one of those taxes a king would add but his people are too fearful and weak willex to rise up