Topic: Meta: Libertarianism
Anonymous A started this discussion 5 years ago #100,708
Are there any laws? Any government intervention at all? Food safety regulations, for example?
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 56 minutes later[^] [v] #1,136,324
Yes, commies get thrown out of helicopters. Other than that, not much really.
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 24 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,333
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But I thoughr libertarians went by the no aggression principle. Throwing commies out of helicopters seems a tad aggressive.
But I thoughr libertarians went by the no aggression principle. Throwing commies out of helicopters seems a tad aggressive.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,344
Meta !Sober//iZs double-posted this 5 years ago, 31 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,355
Government is replaced by a giant Ayn Rand statue no one is allowed to deface or they get shot.
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 49 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,363
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How will the government pay for it? Governments usually get revenue through taxes, which i thought libertarians don't believe in.
@1,136,344 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
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How will the government pay for it? Governments usually get revenue through taxes, which i thought libertarians don't believe in.
@1,136,344 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
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Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 33 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,366
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It's donated by an industrialist who is grateful for not being fucked with by gay shit and regulations.
It's donated by an industrialist who is grateful for not being fucked with by gay shit and regulations.
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,368
dw joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,385
blom joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,400
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Libertarians don't realise that the hated government and rule of law is the only thing stopping a worker's revolution ?
Libertarians don't realise that the hated government and rule of law is the only thing stopping a worker's revolution ?
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 4 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,436
Meta !Sober//iZs double-posted this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,437
There aren't many roads but this is not an issue because everyone drives 4x4s.
Meta !Sober//iZs triple-posted this 5 years ago, 6 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,440
The police ARE defunded though. People who don't want their property stolen hire private security contractors who drive around in technicals and protect business interests. Like the picture but with a nice truck and guys wearing suits.
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 44 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,449
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 15 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,454
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There's no police at all and it's very business-friendly. So it's basically the best of both worlds of the right and the left.
There's no police at all and it's very business-friendly. So it's basically the best of both worlds of the right and the left.
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,457
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 20 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,462
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 9 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,464
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The need to protect your business scales with how big and profitable it is. So a lemonade stand owner would be okay with a baseball bat with some nails driven through it. While Apple has predator drones and tanks patrolling it's corporate HQ.
The need to protect your business scales with how big and profitable it is. So a lemonade stand owner would be okay with a baseball bat with some nails driven through it. While Apple has predator drones and tanks patrolling it's corporate HQ.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,480
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why would apple let a lemonade stand exist when they could force you to buy their lemonade
why would apple let a lemonade stand exist when they could force you to buy their lemonade
Coil E. Leafeon !!KKlJgsBn+ joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 24 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,486
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 10 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,490
@1,136,480 (dw)
Apple doesn't force anyone to buy anything. If Apple Lemonade is better than other lemonade, people will buy it.
Apple doesn't force anyone to buy anything. If Apple Lemonade is better than other lemonade, people will buy it.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 13 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,492
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> Apple doesn't force anyone to buy anything.
Why wouldn't they? They could sell more lemonade that way
> Apple doesn't force anyone to buy anything.
Why wouldn't they? They could sell more lemonade that way
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,494
@previous (dw)
Because you can't force anyone to do anything they don't agree to in the Libertarian world. If you try to force them, they get to shoot you.
Because you can't force anyone to do anything they don't agree to in the Libertarian world. If you try to force them, they get to shoot you.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 9 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,498
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> Because you can't force anyone to do anything they don't agree to in the Libertarian world.
Why not? If you are more powerful (like the Apple army you've been describing) you can force anybody.
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> Because you can't force anyone to do anything they don't agree to in the Libertarian world.
Why not? If you are more powerful (like the Apple army you've been describing) you can force anybody.
dw double-posted this 5 years ago, 32 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,499
@1,136,494 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Actually why wouldn't Apple just start charging for not shooting people?
Actually why wouldn't Apple just start charging for not shooting people?
dw triple-posted this 5 years ago, 59 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,500
Also how does this differ from anarchy
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,502
@1,136,499 (dw)
People will shoot Apple if that happened.
@previous (dw)
It has an Ayn Rand statue. And no commies.
People will shoot Apple if that happened.
@previous (dw)
It has an Ayn Rand statue. And no commies.
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 9 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,504
dw double-posted this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,505
Also this libertarianism thing seems to involve a lot of preventable death
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,524
@1,136,504 (dw)
At iPhones, but not lemonade. When did Apple ever sell lemonade? I mean maybe they do in their company cafeteria or something but it's not something Apple is known for.
@previous (dw)
Just don't try to break into Apple stores and you will be okay
At iPhones, but not lemonade. When did Apple ever sell lemonade? I mean maybe they do in their company cafeteria or something but it's not something Apple is known for.
@previous (dw)
Just don't try to break into Apple stores and you will be okay
Meta joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 44 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,529
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.
“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”
“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”
“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”
The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”
“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”
“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”
He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”
“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”
I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.
“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.
“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.
“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”
It didn’t seem like they did.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”
Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.
I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.
“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.
Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.
“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.
I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”
He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”
“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.
“Because I was afraid.”
“Afraid?”
“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”
I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.
“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”
He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”
“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”
“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”
The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”
“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”
“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”
He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”
“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”
I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.
“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.
“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.
“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”
It didn’t seem like they did.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”
Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.
I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.
“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.
Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.
“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.
I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”
He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”
“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.
“Because I was afraid.”
“Afraid?”
“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”
I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.
“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”
He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 52 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,533
dw replied with this 5 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,550
@1,136,524 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
At operating armed forces. They have literally no reason to operate as a legitimate business.
At operating armed forces. They have literally no reason to operate as a legitimate business.
dw double-posted this 5 years ago, 39 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,136,551
Apple's goal is profit, not a stable society.