Topic: Kook, how do you feel about JK Rowling's recent comments?
Green !StaYqkzUPc started this discussion 5 years ago #100,473
Transphobic or factual?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 47 seconds later[^] [v] #1,132,950
Harry Potter must be cancelled!
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 55 seconds later, 1 minute after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,952
did she say that some of them are fucking weirdos? because that's hardly unknown in the world is it
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,958
blom joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 33 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,960
tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,962
I'm enjoying the response to her comments, so far. Men shouting down a woman. Where have I seen this before? ??
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 5 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,965
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 14 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,971
@previous (B)
That isn't very modern of you. Why, you don't seem very feminist at all! That's a two-week suspended Social Media licence for you, my friend.
That isn't very modern of you. Why, you don't seem very feminist at all! That's a two-week suspended Social Media licence for you, my friend.
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,973
@1,132,960 (blom)I think that's an oversimplification. She was just saying, that there should be distinction between cis women and transwomen. The context was her critcising some tweet or document referring to "people who menstruate", or something. She later followed that up with a tweet saying that biological sex is real.
Later on she followed up with pic related, so I don't think that her sentiments were meant to be transphobic, or that she thinks transgenderism isn't real.
Personally, I can see both sides on the "people who menstruate" thing. Perhaps it is going a bit far to say "people who menstruate". That said, I also appreciate, in some contexts, it could just be a harmless way to make trans people feel more welcome.
I don't think it shouldn't be controversial to say that biological sex is real, though. Because it is. I just think that transphobic jerks shouldn't use it to give trans people a hard time.
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,974
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 5 years ago, 35 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,976
She's being factual
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,979
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 1 second later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,980
@1,132,973 (Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE)
"People who menstruate" just sounds weird. Makes it sound like it's a hobby or a lifestyle choice or something ?
"People who menstruate" just sounds weird. Makes it sound like it's a hobby or a lifestyle choice or something ?
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 51 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,981
@1,132,960 (blom)
> She said that trannies aren't real
She never outright said trans people aren’t real. She posted an essay expressing her beliefs in general. She does sort of hit all of the TERF talking points, but she’s also kind of a transmedicalist too. She discussed her relationship with a trans women and said that it was hard for her to think of her friend as anything but a woman due to her struggle to cope with this and everything she had to go through to get where she was.
Her complaints about how the steps that one needed in order to transition are disappearing allowing for men to make the claim they are trans so they could get some sort of documentation which granted them access to the women’s restroom. She’s kind of making two points. A point that gets her called a TERF and a sort of transmedicalist/truscum point.
> She said that trannies aren't real
She never outright said trans people aren’t real. She posted an essay expressing her beliefs in general. She does sort of hit all of the TERF talking points, but she’s also kind of a transmedicalist too. She discussed her relationship with a trans women and said that it was hard for her to think of her friend as anything but a woman due to her struggle to cope with this and everything she had to go through to get where she was.
Her complaints about how the steps that one needed in order to transition are disappearing allowing for men to make the claim they are trans so they could get some sort of documentation which granted them access to the women’s restroom. She’s kind of making two points. A point that gets her called a TERF and a sort of transmedicalist/truscum point.
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 42 seconds later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,983
@1,132,980 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Yeah. I know it's a well-meaning attempt to be inclusive to transmen, but it does come across as strange.
Yeah. I know it's a well-meaning attempt to be inclusive to transmen, but it does come across as strange.
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,984
I regret answering
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,989
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,991
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,992
blom replied with this 5 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,994
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,996
women need to just shut up
i'm a feminist ok
shut the fuck up women men know what's good 4 u
ugh
i'm a feminist ok
shut the fuck up women men know what's good 4 u
ugh
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,132,998
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,001
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)If there's anything feminism needs, it's more male input and suppression of women's voices.
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,003
@1,132,973 (Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE)
Ugh, embarrassing typo there. It shouldn't be controversial to say biological sex it real. Of course.
Ugh, embarrassing typo there. It shouldn't be controversial to say biological sex it real. Of course.
beckyderp !3NeoVaGFAg joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,005
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,008
@previous (beckyderp !3NeoVaGFAg)I'm actually a little grateful for this attempt to troll me. Thanks, Beckster.
Anonymous I replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,010
@1,133,005 (beckyderp !3NeoVaGFAg)
Yeah, it’s just DMRT1 and FOXL2 from the 9th and 13th chromosomes working their magicks.
Yeah, it’s just DMRT1 and FOXL2 from the 9th and 13th chromosomes working their magicks.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 5 years ago, 28 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,020
like, is my cock even real?
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 5 years ago, 21 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,023
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 21 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,028
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 14 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,033
@1,132,980 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
First of all, shouldn't it be womenstruation? And also it's weirdly reductive and unhelpful. Women who have hit menopause don't menstruate. Do they stop being women at that point? What about women with irregular periods, or who are infertile, or whatever? Idk I'm just a man who has not had many menstruations but I feel like you could do better than that.
First of all, shouldn't it be womenstruation? And also it's weirdly reductive and unhelpful. Women who have hit menopause don't menstruate. Do they stop being women at that point? What about women with irregular periods, or who are infertile, or whatever? Idk I'm just a man who has not had many menstruations but I feel like you could do better than that.
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Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 22 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,038
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Better yet, maybe we should all stop putting people on pedestals. Then maybe people won't have to flip a shit, when said people say something that differs from their own views.
What do I know tho, I'm just some Minichan autist.
Better yet, maybe we should all stop putting people on pedestals. Then maybe people won't have to flip a shit, when said people say something that differs from their own views.
What do I know tho, I'm just some Minichan autist.
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,039
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,041
@1,133,038 (L)
Yes anything that puts an end to celebrity or hero worship I strongly support.
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
There are several holes on the front of the body! Which one is THE front hole? Philosophers have debated that for millennia.
Yes anything that puts an end to celebrity or hero worship I strongly support.
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
There are several holes on the front of the body! Which one is THE front hole? Philosophers have debated that for millennia.
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 5 years ago, 21 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,042
@1,133,033 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I think the most important thing is that men have found a new and hip way to tell women to shut up.
2020 feminism is literally just shouting down women and it's grate ?
I think the most important thing is that men have found a new and hip way to tell women to shut up.
2020 feminism is literally just shouting down women and it's grate ?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,043
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 5 years ago, 34 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,044
Anonymous L replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,046
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> Porn empowering to women.
Oh, that makes sense. No porn is even a little bit degrading to women.
> Porn empowering to women.
Oh, that makes sense. No porn is even a little bit degrading to women.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 5 years ago, 32 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,054
@previous (L)
> > Porn empowering to women.
>
> Oh, that makes sense. No porn is even a little bit degrading to women.
Thats what lib feminists believe and promote
> > Porn empowering to women.
>
> Oh, that makes sense. No porn is even a little bit degrading to women.
Thats what lib feminists believe and promote
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 5 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,058
@1,132,983 (Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE)
I think the problem is, for most of human history biological sex and gender have been a pretty much 1:1 match (not to mention the medical technology for sex reassignment surgery/HRT wasn't really viable before the mid 20th century). It was just not an issue until quite recently so maybe in 20 years we'll have the terminology sorted.
@1,133,033 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I think menopausal women get to keep their menstruation status. They become Menstruator Emeritus and get to keep the title for life. Women with irregular periods have demonstrated they can menstruate at least once so the same goes for them. I'm not sure about the women who can't menstruate but then any menstruation-related issues would be irrelevant for them anyway ? Maybe individuals with all the organs necessary (ovaries, uterus, cervix, etc) are considered honorary menstruators?
I think the problem is, for most of human history biological sex and gender have been a pretty much 1:1 match (not to mention the medical technology for sex reassignment surgery/HRT wasn't really viable before the mid 20th century). It was just not an issue until quite recently so maybe in 20 years we'll have the terminology sorted.
@1,133,033 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I think menopausal women get to keep their menstruation status. They become Menstruator Emeritus and get to keep the title for life. Women with irregular periods have demonstrated they can menstruate at least once so the same goes for them. I'm not sure about the women who can't menstruate but then any menstruation-related issues would be irrelevant for them anyway ? Maybe individuals with all the organs necessary (ovaries, uterus, cervix, etc) are considered honorary menstruators?
Anonymous I replied with this 5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,062
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Language isn’t static and actually changes throughout time. Imagine that.
Language isn’t static and actually changes throughout time. Imagine that.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,063
@1,133,058 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Oh yeah, also what about women who have hysterectomies? There's a thing I think thyere trying to get at whereby sex is determined by your reproductive organs. Which is I think generally true but also sometimes not. There are not two immutable sex categories within which 100% of all human beings fit neatly, but i mean clearly there are male human beings and female human beings in the same way there are male dogs and female dogs. All species that reproduce sexually necessarily have...sexes.
Oh yeah, also what about women who have hysterectomies? There's a thing I think thyere trying to get at whereby sex is determined by your reproductive organs. Which is I think generally true but also sometimes not. There are not two immutable sex categories within which 100% of all human beings fit neatly, but i mean clearly there are male human beings and female human beings in the same way there are male dogs and female dogs. All species that reproduce sexually necessarily have...sexes.
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Anonymous L replied with this 5 years ago, 12 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,064
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Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,070
I grasp the women firmly by their pubic hair and dare them to make another peep.
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,071
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Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,076
I love that this all started because a trans person said she was unsafe to have around children and she has dug her heels and said "Excuse me, I am EXTREMELY unsafe to have around children."
Anonymous N double-posted this 5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,078
beckyderp !3NeoVaGFAg replied with this 5 years ago, 15 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,079
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,080
@1,133,038 (L)
> Better yet, maybe we should all stop putting people on pedestals.
I read that as "maybe we should all staop putting people on pederasts" and I would agree
> Better yet, maybe we should all stop putting people on pedestals.
I read that as "maybe we should all staop putting people on pederasts" and I would agree
Anonymous I replied with this 5 years ago, 2 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,104
Anonymous N replied with this 5 years ago, 22 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,115
@previous (I)
Nicola Spurling, she's a trans advocate and made a joke tweet, flipping the TERF rhetoric of trans women making places unsafe for children (and it is only rhetoric - there are no cases of this actually happening) on its head and joking that JKR is bad for children, and she got litigious about it. Because of course she did - I have no doubt she would get litigious if it wasn't taken down, since she also sued an assistant for embezzlement to the tune of $20,000 as punishment for embezzlement which includes uh. Starbucks, and some stationery.
Nicola Spurling, she's a trans advocate and made a joke tweet, flipping the TERF rhetoric of trans women making places unsafe for children (and it is only rhetoric - there are no cases of this actually happening) on its head and joking that JKR is bad for children, and she got litigious about it. Because of course she did - I have no doubt she would get litigious if it wasn't taken down, since she also sued an assistant for embezzlement to the tune of $20,000 as punishment for embezzlement which includes uh. Starbucks, and some stationery.
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Sheila LaBoof replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,116
I misread the name as Nicola Squirting
Anonymous I replied with this 5 years ago, 5 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,202
@1,133,115 (N)Are you say there’s more evidence for masculine looking cis women getting clocked then there is fowl play between a trans person and children?
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 14 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,210
@previous (I)
Clocked as in beaten or clocked as in, for lack of a better word, detected? Some trans women are extremely easy to 'detect'. Some aren't.
Clocked as in beaten or clocked as in, for lack of a better word, detected? Some trans women are extremely easy to 'detect'. Some aren't.
Anonymous I replied with this 5 years ago, 2 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,235
@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
> Clocked as in beaten or clocked as in, for lack of a better word, detected? Some trans women are extremely easy to 'detect'. Some aren't.
I suppose that could mean both, but that last one. But who really uses the first meaning anymore?
> Clocked as in beaten or clocked as in, for lack of a better word, detected? Some trans women are extremely easy to 'detect'. Some aren't.
I suppose that could mean both, but that last one. But who really uses the first meaning anymore?
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 5 years ago, 1 hour later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,252
what's clocked suposed to mean now? getting fucked with two hands?
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 29 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,255
@1,133,235 (I)
I don't really see/hear it used much at all. But it's foolish to deny that there aren't a good number of people who are very clearly trans.
I don't really see/hear it used much at all. But it's foolish to deny that there aren't a good number of people who are very clearly trans.
Anonymous I replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,299
@1,133,252 (Sheila LaBoof)
A person who outs someone for being trans.
Note: The person doesn’t necessarily have to be trans to be clocked. As evident here @1,133,202 (I).
A person who outs someone for being trans.
Note: The person doesn’t necessarily have to be trans to be clocked. As evident here @1,133,202 (I).
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 5 years ago, 30 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,133,302
sounds like 1930s gangster slang