Topic: Whom do you consider the greater leader, Winston Churchill...
Anonymous A started this discussion 5 years ago #100,347
...or Donald Trump?
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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 7 minutes later[^] [v] #1,131,687
Are you referring to Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,131,689
Anonymous B replied with this 5 years ago, 11 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,131,692
@OP
But there's another side to Churchill's politics and career that should not be forgotten amid the endless parade of eulogies. To many outside the West, he remains a grotesque racist and a stubborn imperialist, forever on the wrong side of history.
Churchill's detractors point to his well-documented bigotry, articulated often with shocking callousness and contempt. "I hate Indians," he once trumpeted. "They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He referred to Palestinians as "barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung." When quashing insurgents in Sudan in the earlier days of his imperial career, Churchill boasted of killing three "savages." Contemplating restive populations in northwest Asia, he infamously lamented the "squeamishness" of his colleagues, who were not in "favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes."
Churchill's racism was wrapped up in his Tory zeal for empire, one which irked his wartime ally, U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt. As a junior member of parliament, Churchill had cheered on Britain's plan for more conquests, insisting that its "Aryan stock is bound to triumph."
But there's another side to Churchill's politics and career that should not be forgotten amid the endless parade of eulogies. To many outside the West, he remains a grotesque racist and a stubborn imperialist, forever on the wrong side of history.
Churchill's detractors point to his well-documented bigotry, articulated often with shocking callousness and contempt. "I hate Indians," he once trumpeted. "They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He referred to Palestinians as "barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung." When quashing insurgents in Sudan in the earlier days of his imperial career, Churchill boasted of killing three "savages." Contemplating restive populations in northwest Asia, he infamously lamented the "squeamishness" of his colleagues, who were not in "favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes."
Churchill's racism was wrapped up in his Tory zeal for empire, one which irked his wartime ally, U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt. As a junior member of parliament, Churchill had cheered on Britain's plan for more conquests, insisting that its "Aryan stock is bound to triumph."
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 53 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,131,703
President Donald J Trump.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,131,714
wow I didn't know that Churchill killed some guys
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 5 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,131,748
My layman's answer would be Chruchill. He can match Trump's populist charisma, but also had some knowledge of how to govern competently.
That said, my own dislike of him aside, I would say that Trump is a very talented leader of sorts. Insofar as how he can build a very strong and loyal base. Though I think his leadership style would be better off in a more authoritarian system, where he's not constantly having to fight democratic institutions like a free media or a powerful opposition party. I think he'd do well in a pretend democracy, like what Russia has.
That said, my own dislike of him aside, I would say that Trump is a very talented leader of sorts. Insofar as how he can build a very strong and loyal base. Though I think his leadership style would be better off in a more authoritarian system, where he's not constantly having to fight democratic institutions like a free media or a powerful opposition party. I think he'd do well in a pretend democracy, like what Russia has.
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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,131,749
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,131,750
@previous (F)
Chuckling at the irony of this. Sure, buddy, I'm the one who's easily led.
Also, that image doesn't work as well against a post where I'm explicitly putting aside my own opinion and praising his leadership abilities.
Chuckling at the irony of this. Sure, buddy, I'm the one who's easily led.
Also, that image doesn't work as well against a post where I'm explicitly putting aside my own opinion and praising his leadership abilities.
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Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 58 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,131,753
@1,131,749 (F)
If you're Bert then aren't you the guy who takes photos of his TV to show everyone what's made you mad?
If you're Bert then aren't you the guy who takes photos of his TV to show everyone what's made you mad?