Topic: IT IS HAPPENING! Ukraine invasion megathread.
Anonymous A started this discussion 2.2 years ago #102,427
Kyiv being blown up with missiles. Wonder what bad faith argument Father Dave will adopt now that his “nothing will happen this is all Western propaganda” argument has literally blown up?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Map: https://liveuamap.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Map: https://liveuamap.com
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later[^] [v] #1,157,279
This is now the official minichan Ukraine invasion draad.
jodie !foster2PAQ joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 19 seconds later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,281
it's fine as long as no civilians are harmed and the usa isnt doing it. don't worry it'll be better
tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 29 seconds later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,282
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,284
Whoa!!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,288
Dunno why you edited my headline but ok
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,291
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,293
OTS HOBBENING or some other spelling, no need to change it just kind of puzzled someone must have OCD
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,295
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,297
Father DaveFake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,301
As a refresher, this was predicted months ago by U.S. intelligence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,304
DOW futures down 700. Fire sale. BUY BUY BUY.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,312
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,315
Paratroopers (supposedly) in Kyiv and marines making amphibious landing in Odessa
Not a lot of footage of anything. Per CNN it’s very cloudy once anti air batteries destroyed Russia will begin manned air campaign ie fighter jets bombers
Not a lot of footage of anything. Per CNN it’s very cloudy once anti air batteries destroyed Russia will begin manned air campaign ie fighter jets bombers
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,318
@1,157,312 (A)
It'll be back up in a few months, if not sooner. It dropped far more after COVID and was back reaching all time highs not long after.
Put in a few extra hundred, or a few extra thousand, or a few extra tens of thousands for me. I'll do the same.
It'll be back up in a few months, if not sooner. It dropped far more after COVID and was back reaching all time highs not long after.
Put in a few extra hundred, or a few extra thousand, or a few extra tens of thousands for me. I'll do the same.
Anonymous F double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,319
Oh, I forgot my disclaimer: this is financial advice.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,321
TTEH can we embed tweets or TikToks?
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,328
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,329
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1496718394753753089?s=21
> Belarusian troops joining Russian troops in attacking #Ukraine according CNN
> Belarusian troops joining Russian troops in attacking #Ukraine according CNN
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 39 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,330
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1496716285417246720?s=21
> Possible airborne assault against Kharkiv
> Possible airborne assault against Kharkiv
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,334
Lol fuck this. Torpedo every Russian oligarchs yacht. Make doing even $.01 worth of business with Russia a capital offense. Expel every Russian diplomat and seize every goddamn cent of Russian assets in the west.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,342
Fucking hell it's actually happening.
Well, WW3 might be about to start because Putin is an angry man with a grudge and nobody else in his government can challenge him. This is why the Russian government is superior, authoritarian governments are a great idea.
Well, WW3 might be about to start because Putin is an angry man with a grudge and nobody else in his government can challenge him. This is why the Russian government is superior, authoritarian governments are a great idea.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,346
Do you think work will understand if I tell them I want to stay home today, to follow the news and post about it on here?
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,350
Ukraine passed a law allowing citizens to be armed. They are distributing guns. Russia will have a hard time even if they "win".
Afghanistan 2.0. Gorilla warfare!
Afghanistan 2.0. Gorilla warfare!
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,354
@previous (I)
I saw the law was passed a few days back, but source for distributing firearms to citizens?
Everything I've read is vague. Like https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/513297-ukraine-to-declare-state-of-emergency-allow-citizens-to-arm-themselves.html makes no mention of arms distribution at all.
I saw the law was passed a few days back, but source for distributing firearms to citizens?
Everything I've read is vague. Like https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/513297-ukraine-to-declare-state-of-emergency-allow-citizens-to-arm-themselves.html makes no mention of arms distribution at all.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,363
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
If the Ukranian government doesn't arm them, the CIA is more than willing to pick up the slack, hah.
If the Ukranian government doesn't arm them, the CIA is more than willing to pick up the slack, hah.
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Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 15 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,365
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,366
@previous (J)
I know you're not necessarily taking this position, but I've heard a few people recently saying that Russia's mindset is understandable because they're surrounded by NATO and all of its bases.
But what exactly do those bases stop Russia from doing, apart from invading other countries? That, I'd like to hear an answer to.
I know you're not necessarily taking this position, but I've heard a few people recently saying that Russia's mindset is understandable because they're surrounded by NATO and all of its bases.
But what exactly do those bases stop Russia from doing, apart from invading other countries? That, I'd like to hear an answer to.
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Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 53 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,367
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Ask tteh. I believe he posted this image before The Great Reset.
Ask tteh. I believe he posted this image before The Great Reset.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,375
This is making me even more relieved that Biden won. Can you imagine Trump leading the international response to this? It would be a fucking disaster.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,376
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> This is making me even more relieved that Biden won. Can you imagine Trump leading the international response to this? It would be a fucking disaster.
It would be zero or WWIII
> This is making me even more relieved that Biden won. Can you imagine Trump leading the international response to this? It would be a fucking disaster.
It would be zero or WWIII
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 50 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,378
BREAKING: Ukraine says it has killed fifty Russian soldiers and shot down six planes
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ukraine-says-it-has-killed-around-50-russian-occupiers/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ukraine-says-it-has-killed-around-50-russian-occupiers/
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Green !StaYqkzUPc joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,379
We're all going to die.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 29 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,380
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> We're all going to die...
"...and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively outnumbers the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here"
> We're all going to die...
"...and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively outnumbers the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here"
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,381
I would like to redact anything possible I said about Russia. Oh wait, the server went down and all those posts were deleted 😂
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 34 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,387
@1,157,380 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Well Dave, how are you feeling about this? You were saying before that this wouldn't happen, but here we are. Do you have any reservations about the direction Putin has gone in?
Well Dave, how are you feeling about this? You were saying before that this wouldn't happen, but here we are. Do you have any reservations about the direction Putin has gone in?
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,388
If only America had an unpredictable madman as President. Maybe that would've been a deterrent to Russia 🤔
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,390
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
On the contrary, perhaps this hypothetical madman President and Putin would have strong affinity for each other.
On the contrary, perhaps this hypothetical madman President and Putin would have strong affinity for each other.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,391
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Remember at the start of Trump's presidency North Korea was threatening the US with nukes? How did that turn out. You don't hear much about North Korea as Trump's unpredictability led to diplomatic solutions. It may have deterred Russia from invading if he was still POTUS. Hell, even Obama would've been better. Putin has taken advantage of the fact that Biden is weak and senile. I think Putin is more likely to listen to our Prime Minister over Biden.
Remember at the start of Trump's presidency North Korea was threatening the US with nukes? How did that turn out. You don't hear much about North Korea as Trump's unpredictability led to diplomatic solutions. It may have deterred Russia from invading if he was still POTUS. Hell, even Obama would've been better. Putin has taken advantage of the fact that Biden is weak and senile. I think Putin is more likely to listen to our Prime Minister over Biden.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,393
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> Remember at the start of Trump's presidency North Korea was threatening the US with nukes? How did that turn out.
It was a complete failure and nothing changed. North Korea has continued the posturing with its missile launches just like before.
> Remember at the start of Trump's presidency North Korea was threatening the US with nukes? How did that turn out.
It was a complete failure and nothing changed. North Korea has continued the posturing with its missile launches just like before.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,394
@1,157,387 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> Well Dave, how are you feeling about this?
Genuinely sad for Ukrainians, who have done nothing to deserve this.
> You were saying before that this wouldn't happen
I categorically said the opposite.
> Do you have any reservations about the direction Putin has gone in?
No.
> Well Dave, how are you feeling about this?
Genuinely sad for Ukrainians, who have done nothing to deserve this.
> You were saying before that this wouldn't happen
I categorically said the opposite.
> Do you have any reservations about the direction Putin has gone in?
No.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,395
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> Genuinely sad for Ukrainians, who have done nothing to deserve this.
> > Do you have any reservations about the direction Putin has gone in?
> No.
That's an interesting response. You're sympathetic with the Ukrainian people, but have no reservations whatsoever about Russia's decision to invade their country?
> I categorically said the opposite.
Ha. Well, I can't go over the previous posts to confirm anything, obviously. But at least, you were adamant that the US was wrong about it happening now.
> Genuinely sad for Ukrainians, who have done nothing to deserve this.
> > Do you have any reservations about the direction Putin has gone in?
> No.
That's an interesting response. You're sympathetic with the Ukrainian people, but have no reservations whatsoever about Russia's decision to invade their country?
> I categorically said the opposite.
Ha. Well, I can't go over the previous posts to confirm anything, obviously. But at least, you were adamant that the US was wrong about it happening now.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,398
Anti-war protests are happening in Russia, but the protesters are arrested and carted off as soon as they appear.https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1496836930083950592?s=20&t=4n6y4dnwaDcDnrkbvI1fMA
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Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 32 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,399
@1,157,395 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> > Genuinely sad for Ukrainians, who have done nothing to deserve this.
>
> >> Do you have any reservations about the direction Putin has gone in?
> > No.
> That's an interesting response. You're sympathetic with the Ukrainian people, but have no reservations whatsoever about Russia's decision to invade their country?
Correct. Innocent people shouldn't have to suffer over economic conflicts, yet they do, time after time.
> > I categorically said the opposite.
> Ha. Well, I can't go over the previous posts to confirm anything, obviously.
About 3 months ago on here there was a thread about the "beginning" of Russia's military build-up and I wrote "Russia is going to invade Ukraine either at the end of January or the beginning of February" (I was wrong about the timing)
> But at least, you were adamant that the US was wrong about it happening now.
No, I made a poll 2 weeks ago wherein I said it wouldn't happen before February 23rd (not a date I randomly pulled from my arse) and it didn't.
> > Genuinely sad for Ukrainians, who have done nothing to deserve this.
>
> >> Do you have any reservations about the direction Putin has gone in?
> > No.
> That's an interesting response. You're sympathetic with the Ukrainian people, but have no reservations whatsoever about Russia's decision to invade their country?
Correct. Innocent people shouldn't have to suffer over economic conflicts, yet they do, time after time.
> > I categorically said the opposite.
> Ha. Well, I can't go over the previous posts to confirm anything, obviously.
About 3 months ago on here there was a thread about the "beginning" of Russia's military build-up and I wrote "Russia is going to invade Ukraine either at the end of January or the beginning of February" (I was wrong about the timing)
> But at least, you were adamant that the US was wrong about it happening now.
No, I made a poll 2 weeks ago wherein I said it wouldn't happen before February 23rd (not a date I randomly pulled from my arse) and it didn't.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,400
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> Correct. Innocent people shouldn't have to suffer over economic conflicts, yet they do, time after time.
Every time anyone here criticised Russia, your go-to response was to get morally outraged about how America and the west had done shady things and killed people. You sometimes contrasted this to Russia's annexation of Crimea, which you praised for being largely bloodless.
Well, this is not bloodless. But I guess that when Russia is the one killing innocents and bombing cities, then you give them a pass.
> Correct. Innocent people shouldn't have to suffer over economic conflicts, yet they do, time after time.
Every time anyone here criticised Russia, your go-to response was to get morally outraged about how America and the west had done shady things and killed people. You sometimes contrasted this to Russia's annexation of Crimea, which you praised for being largely bloodless.
Well, this is not bloodless. But I guess that when Russia is the one killing innocents and bombing cities, then you give them a pass.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,401
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> > Correct. Innocent people shouldn't have to suffer over economic conflicts, yet they do, time after time.
> Every time anyone here criticised Russia, your go-to response was to get morally outraged about how America and the west had done shady things and killed people.
Calmly pointing out galling hypocrisy =/= "moral outrage"
> You sometimes contrasted this to Russia's annexation of Crimea, which you praised for being largely bloodless.
Correct.
> Well, this is not bloodless. But I guess that when Russia is the one killing innocents and bombing cities, then you give them a pass.
Let's continue this conversation when half a million civilians have been killed. Until then I'll leave you to your (not necessarily you personally KL, but 'Western' hypocrites) favourite passtime - feeling morally superior online. Don't forget to change your Facebook avatar to the Ukrainian flag!
> > Correct. Innocent people shouldn't have to suffer over economic conflicts, yet they do, time after time.
> Every time anyone here criticised Russia, your go-to response was to get morally outraged about how America and the west had done shady things and killed people.
Calmly pointing out galling hypocrisy =/= "moral outrage"
> You sometimes contrasted this to Russia's annexation of Crimea, which you praised for being largely bloodless.
Correct.
> Well, this is not bloodless. But I guess that when Russia is the one killing innocents and bombing cities, then you give them a pass.
Let's continue this conversation when half a million civilians have been killed. Until then I'll leave you to your (not necessarily you personally KL, but 'Western' hypocrites) favourite passtime - feeling morally superior online. Don't forget to change your Facebook avatar to the Ukrainian flag!
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 24 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,402
Putin needs to be taken out. He's a power mad dictator. His officers are probably too scared of him.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 31 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,406
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> Putin needs to be taken out. He's a power mad dictator. His officers are probably too scared of him.
I think he’s pretty rational and even keeled. I think he realizes there won’t be any foreign on the ground military aide to Ukraine just sanctions which there are ways around see: NK and Iran
Russia needs Europe and Europe needs Russia. There is no way they won’t trade energy
> Putin needs to be taken out. He's a power mad dictator. His officers are probably too scared of him.
I think he’s pretty rational and even keeled. I think he realizes there won’t be any foreign on the ground military aide to Ukraine just sanctions which there are ways around see: NK and Iran
Russia needs Europe and Europe needs Russia. There is no way they won’t trade energy
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 23 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,410
https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/1496861054566952968?s=21
> LATEST: The Biden administration, fearful of doing anything to increase already skyrocketing oil and gasoline prices, is unlikely to directly sanction Russia’s oil and natural gas sector, according to Bob McNally
> LATEST: The Biden administration, fearful of doing anything to increase already skyrocketing oil and gasoline prices, is unlikely to directly sanction Russia’s oil and natural gas sector, according to Bob McNally
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,411
https://twitter.com/ajenglish/status/1496857447214075909?s=21
> Dramatic video published online is said to show Russian helicopters attacking Ukraine ⤵️
🔴 LIVE updates: aje.io/gb46sk
> Dramatic video published online is said to show Russian helicopters attacking Ukraine ⤵️
🔴 LIVE updates: aje.io/gb46sk
Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,412
https://twitter.com/zelenskyyua/status/1496862540957114370?s=21
> Russian occupation forces are trying to seize the #Chornobyl_NPP. Our defenders are giving their lives so that the tragedy of 1986 will not be repeated. Reported this to @SwedishPM. This is a declaration of war against the whole of Europe.
> Russian occupation forces are trying to seize the #Chornobyl_NPP. Our defenders are giving their lives so that the tragedy of 1986 will not be repeated. Reported this to @SwedishPM. This is a declaration of war against the whole of Europe.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 20 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,414
@1,157,406 (A)
> > Putin needs to be taken out. He's a power mad dictator. His officers are probably too scared of him.
>
> I think he’s pretty rational and even keeled. I think he realizes there won’t be any foreign on the ground military aide to Ukraine just sanctions which there are ways around see: NK and Iran
>
> Russia needs Europe and Europe needs Russia. There is no way they won’t trade energy
All of this. Ukraine is not Kuwait (I make that comparison only because of the whole "We can't fight with the Ukrainians because they're not in NATO!" horseshit). Ukraine is going to be thrown to the wolves (or the bear in this case), as was obvious from the start. The country was only ever a bargaining chip.
Like I said: sanctions, international condemnation, Ukrainian flag avatars to replace rainbows and "#BLM" for the next 2 weeks, then we all move on.
> > Putin needs to be taken out. He's a power mad dictator. His officers are probably too scared of him.
>
> I think he’s pretty rational and even keeled. I think he realizes there won’t be any foreign on the ground military aide to Ukraine just sanctions which there are ways around see: NK and Iran
>
> Russia needs Europe and Europe needs Russia. There is no way they won’t trade energy
All of this. Ukraine is not Kuwait (I make that comparison only because of the whole "We can't fight with the Ukrainians because they're not in NATO!" horseshit). Ukraine is going to be thrown to the wolves (or the bear in this case), as was obvious from the start. The country was only ever a bargaining chip.
Like I said: sanctions, international condemnation, Ukrainian flag avatars to replace rainbows and "#BLM" for the next 2 weeks, then we all move on.
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,415
@1,157,375 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> This is making me even more relieved that Biden won. Can you imagine Trump leading the international response to this? It would be a fucking disaster.
I really can't imagine Trump leading the international response to this because it wouldn't have happened at all with him in office. Leading an international response is cool but what's even better is not having to lead one in the first place.
> This is making me even more relieved that Biden won. Can you imagine Trump leading the international response to this? It would be a fucking disaster.
I really can't imagine Trump leading the international response to this because it wouldn't have happened at all with him in office. Leading an international response is cool but what's even better is not having to lead one in the first place.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,416
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Meta this isn't about U.S. politics but I don't think the guy who was impeached for threatening to withhold U.S. military equipment from Ukraine unless they announced an investigation into Joe Biden and just recently called Putin savvy for invading Ukraine would do much to prevent this from happening if he were in charge.
Meta this isn't about U.S. politics but I don't think the guy who was impeached for threatening to withhold U.S. military equipment from Ukraine unless they announced an investigation into Joe Biden and just recently called Putin savvy for invading Ukraine would do much to prevent this from happening if he were in charge.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,417
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Exactly. So there wouldn't need to be a US-led response because it's not America's fight. Let Yurop handle Yurop shit.
Exactly. So there wouldn't need to be a US-led response because it's not America's fight. Let Yurop handle Yurop shit.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,418
@1,157,399 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> No, I made a poll 2 weeks ago wherein I said it wouldn't happen before February 23rd (not a date I randomly pulled from my arse) and it didn't.
LMAO but it happened 1 day later! Just admit you were wrong.
I distinctly recall you saying the invasion claims were hysterics and the buildup was for drills and to use as leverage, and Putin had succeeded by getting closer to Belarus and aligning further with China etc....
> No, I made a poll 2 weeks ago wherein I said it wouldn't happen before February 23rd (not a date I randomly pulled from my arse) and it didn't.
LMAO but it happened 1 day later! Just admit you were wrong.
I distinctly recall you saying the invasion claims were hysterics and the buildup was for drills and to use as leverage, and Putin had succeeded by getting closer to Belarus and aligning further with China etc....
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,420
@1,157,417 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
I wish we could but the U.S. is the only country with any military heft left in the entire "civilized" western world. Look at how hard it is for Europe to send even one fucking rifle to Ukraine right before an imminent Russian invasion. We have to be involved in their affairs because the alternative is Russia having them completely by the balls.
I wish we could but the U.S. is the only country with any military heft left in the entire "civilized" western world. Look at how hard it is for Europe to send even one fucking rifle to Ukraine right before an imminent Russian invasion. We have to be involved in their affairs because the alternative is Russia having them completely by the balls.
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Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,421
@1,157,418 (O)
> >No, I made a poll 2 weeks ago wherein I said it wouldn't happen before February 23rd (not a date I randomly pulled from my arse) and it didn't.
>
> LMAO but it happened 1 day later!
So, not "before February 23rd"? Thanks, that'll be all.
> >No, I made a poll 2 weeks ago wherein I said it wouldn't happen before February 23rd (not a date I randomly pulled from my arse) and it didn't.
>
> LMAO but it happened 1 day later!
So, not "before February 23rd"? Thanks, that'll be all.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,422
@1,157,420 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
It's not "hard" for them to send a rifle to Ukraine. Germany was able to put quite a lot of armaments into Ukraine 80 years ago. They just don't care. If they don't care why should we?
It's not "hard" for them to send a rifle to Ukraine. Germany was able to put quite a lot of armaments into Ukraine 80 years ago. They just don't care. If they don't care why should we?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 24 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,423
@1,157,421 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Just out of curiosity, why do you think Putin decided to do this, and do it at this particular moment? I listened to his translated speech but I feel like a lot of that is posturing/spinning the narrative in his favor. But what do you think the actual thought process was behind this invasion?
Just out of curiosity, why do you think Putin decided to do this, and do it at this particular moment? I listened to his translated speech but I feel like a lot of that is posturing/spinning the narrative in his favor. But what do you think the actual thought process was behind this invasion?
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,424
Fucking LOL, George W Bush has just condemned "Russia's unjustified invasion". Because as we all know there are "justified" invasions, right George?
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,425
@1,157,423 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Just out of curiosity, why do you think Putin decided to do this, and do it at this particular moment? I listened to his translated speech but I feel like a lot of that is posturing/spinning the narrative in his favor. But what do you think the actual thought process was behind this invasion?
Since I believe you're one of the few people here who are sincere and not just wanking off to a war they only understand from tweets, your post here deserves a proper response. I'll reply to it in detail later tonight, I'm still at work now.
> Just out of curiosity, why do you think Putin decided to do this, and do it at this particular moment? I listened to his translated speech but I feel like a lot of that is posturing/spinning the narrative in his favor. But what do you think the actual thought process was behind this invasion?
Since I believe you're one of the few people here who are sincere and not just wanking off to a war they only understand from tweets, your post here deserves a proper response. I'll reply to it in detail later tonight, I'm still at work now.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,426
@1,157,422 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
The Boston Celtics won 11 NBA championships in 13 years in the 50s and 60s. The fact that they haven't done that again proves they don't care about winning.
...or it proves that the Boston Celtics of 60 years ago is an entity with the same name but comprised of different people with different capabilities and the world has also changed along with them. Yurop cares they are just incompetent pansies. The only men left in the entire world are in Eastern Europe and America. I wish that were not true!
The Boston Celtics won 11 NBA championships in 13 years in the 50s and 60s. The fact that they haven't done that again proves they don't care about winning.
...or it proves that the Boston Celtics of 60 years ago is an entity with the same name but comprised of different people with different capabilities and the world has also changed along with them. Yurop cares they are just incompetent pansies. The only men left in the entire world are in Eastern Europe and America. I wish that were not true!
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,428
@1,157,424 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
To be fair, no one has a better idea of what an unjustified invasion looks like than him. He's the foremost expert on them in the western world!
@1,157,425 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Thank you. There's no rush, I just want to have an understanding of why Putin is doing this because there is a lot of noise but very little clarity now.
To be fair, no one has a better idea of what an unjustified invasion looks like than him. He's the foremost expert on them in the western world!
@1,157,425 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Thank you. There's no rush, I just want to have an understanding of why Putin is doing this because there is a lot of noise but very little clarity now.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 17 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,432
jodie !foster2PAQ replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,434
@1,157,401 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> 'Western' hypocrites) favourite passtime - feeling morally superior online.
how is this any different from what you do lmao
> 'Western' hypocrites) favourite passtime - feeling morally superior online.
how is this any different from what you do lmao
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,436
He wants the USSR back.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,437
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 21 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,441
Shit will get real though if Xi Jinping moves on Taiwan. Microchips go bye bye! 😂👌
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,442
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> Shit will get real though if Xi Jinping moves on Taiwan. Microchips go bye bye! 😂👌
Exactly, which is why the West isn't going to do shit to help the Ukrainians fight. If TSMC were located in Kiev instead of Taiwan this would be a whole different situation.
> Shit will get real though if Xi Jinping moves on Taiwan. Microchips go bye bye! 😂👌
Exactly, which is why the West isn't going to do shit to help the Ukrainians fight. If TSMC were located in Kiev instead of Taiwan this would be a whole different situation.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,445
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
I do wonder if Taiwan has some kind of scorched earth plan to destroy TSMC in the event of a Chinese invasion. "If you let the Chinese invade us we'll make sure you wont have any more cars, phones, or computers for a long time" will get people's attention.
I do wonder if Taiwan has some kind of scorched earth plan to destroy TSMC in the event of a Chinese invasion. "If you let the Chinese invade us we'll make sure you wont have any more cars, phones, or computers for a long time" will get people's attention.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 34 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,461
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 20 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,464
@1,157,414 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> Ukraine is going to be thrown to the wolves (or the bear in this case), as was obvious from the start. The country was only ever a bargaining chip.
This is my whole issue with you, in here. When Russia does anything questionable, your response is either it's good or that " it's just business". It's healthy to question your government but you never seem to do that with Putin's Russia. And I think that means you'll stand by anything Russia does in this conflict, no matter how bad it is.
@1,157,425 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
I'm interested to see this, but I'm also very doubtful that it will be very objective, that it will present Putin in anything other than a positive light. But I'd be interested if proven wrong on that.
> Ukraine is going to be thrown to the wolves (or the bear in this case), as was obvious from the start. The country was only ever a bargaining chip.
This is my whole issue with you, in here. When Russia does anything questionable, your response is either it's good or that " it's just business". It's healthy to question your government but you never seem to do that with Putin's Russia. And I think that means you'll stand by anything Russia does in this conflict, no matter how bad it is.
@1,157,425 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
I'm interested to see this, but I'm also very doubtful that it will be very objective, that it will present Putin in anything other than a positive light. But I'd be interested if proven wrong on that.
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,470
@1,157,394 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> > You were saying before that this wouldn't happen
>
> I categorically said the opposite.
lol/lol bud
> > You were saying before that this wouldn't happen
>
> I categorically said the opposite.
lol/lol bud
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,472
@1,157,464 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Oi lad at least let him write the response. And he's basically right about the facts here. The U.S. was never going to send a single troop into Ukraine and everyone knew it. It was going to be Ukraine v. Russia alone from the outset and nothing short of nuclear war would change that.
Oi lad at least let him write the response. And he's basically right about the facts here. The U.S. was never going to send a single troop into Ukraine and everyone knew it. It was going to be Ukraine v. Russia alone from the outset and nothing short of nuclear war would change that.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,474
@1,157,464 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
He reminds me of Matt where he will constantly trash America for all it's real and perceived wrongdoings but nothing but praise for Russia, like Matt does with China.
He reminds me of Matt where he will constantly trash America for all it's real and perceived wrongdoings but nothing but praise for Russia, like Matt does with China.
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,475
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Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 33 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,479
@1,157,423 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Just out of curiosity, why do you think Putin decided to do this, and do it at this particular moment? I listened to his translated speech but I feel like a lot of that is posturing/spinning the narrative in his favor. But what do you think the actual thought process was behind this invasion?
Right so this won't be easy to do succinctly (this is an unimaginably complex situation that has been going on for almost a decade) so I'll break this into separate posts to make it more digestible. Bear in mind this is all just my opinion, but it's based on a broad knowledge of the history of this conflict.
First to your question about why Putin's done this at this particular moment. I think there are 4 main reasons. Firstly, yes, as someone said above, it is actually connected with Biden replacing Trump. Despite the depiction of him in some quarters as a deranged psychopath hell-bent on world domination, Putin is extremely risk averse. Since becoming president he has – so far -achieved his aims in all 4 of the wars in which he has participated (Chechnya, Georgia, Syria and Ukraine) and he's done that by being very calculated.
People who are risk averse don’t like situations or people that aren't predictable, and the fact of the matter is, Donald Trump was unpredictable. He was an unknown in too many respects. If we remove the idea that Russia had kompromat on him (something I don’t believe) then with his capricious and ego-centric character he was as likely to start bombing east Ukraine as suck up to Putin if he felt he was being made to look a loser.
Joe Biden on the other hand is the most predictable politician in America, simply because of how long he's been in the game. We have 50 years of his speeches, his policies, his bills, his votes, his donors, we know who's behind him, we know whose interests he represents, we know how he's likely to react to various geopolitical movements.
And so if we accept that the endlessly-threatened 'sanctions' will sooner or later be imposed regardless of what Putin does (something Putin believes), then it makes it much easier for Putin to do what he does best: risk assessment. Trump made risk assessment very difficult because he had no policies we could refer to, no principles, his speeches on geopolitical matters were often incoherent gibberish, and he clearly didn't understand anything that was going on in the world. One day the guy's ripping up the JCPOA on the grounds of 'the black guy who came before me authored it' and the next he's sucking up to Kim Jong-un. What both things had in common is they were driven by ego, not sensible and predictable policy, and Putin isn't going to make any major moves when the guy in the White House is that temperamentally unstable.
Point 2 coming up...
> Just out of curiosity, why do you think Putin decided to do this, and do it at this particular moment? I listened to his translated speech but I feel like a lot of that is posturing/spinning the narrative in his favor. But what do you think the actual thought process was behind this invasion?
Right so this won't be easy to do succinctly (this is an unimaginably complex situation that has been going on for almost a decade) so I'll break this into separate posts to make it more digestible. Bear in mind this is all just my opinion, but it's based on a broad knowledge of the history of this conflict.
First to your question about why Putin's done this at this particular moment. I think there are 4 main reasons. Firstly, yes, as someone said above, it is actually connected with Biden replacing Trump. Despite the depiction of him in some quarters as a deranged psychopath hell-bent on world domination, Putin is extremely risk averse. Since becoming president he has – so far -achieved his aims in all 4 of the wars in which he has participated (Chechnya, Georgia, Syria and Ukraine) and he's done that by being very calculated.
People who are risk averse don’t like situations or people that aren't predictable, and the fact of the matter is, Donald Trump was unpredictable. He was an unknown in too many respects. If we remove the idea that Russia had kompromat on him (something I don’t believe) then with his capricious and ego-centric character he was as likely to start bombing east Ukraine as suck up to Putin if he felt he was being made to look a loser.
Joe Biden on the other hand is the most predictable politician in America, simply because of how long he's been in the game. We have 50 years of his speeches, his policies, his bills, his votes, his donors, we know who's behind him, we know whose interests he represents, we know how he's likely to react to various geopolitical movements.
And so if we accept that the endlessly-threatened 'sanctions' will sooner or later be imposed regardless of what Putin does (something Putin believes), then it makes it much easier for Putin to do what he does best: risk assessment. Trump made risk assessment very difficult because he had no policies we could refer to, no principles, his speeches on geopolitical matters were often incoherent gibberish, and he clearly didn't understand anything that was going on in the world. One day the guy's ripping up the JCPOA on the grounds of 'the black guy who came before me authored it' and the next he's sucking up to Kim Jong-un. What both things had in common is they were driven by ego, not sensible and predictable policy, and Putin isn't going to make any major moves when the guy in the White House is that temperamentally unstable.
Point 2 coming up...
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,481
Reason #2 of "why exactly now?" is the retirement of Merkel and the election of Olaf Sholtz as German chancellor. Sholtz's political mentor was Gerhard Schroder (German chancellor from 1998 to 2005), who was also the political architect of the Nord Stream pipeline (he and Putin are very close allies). Schroder is currently chairman of the board of Nord Stream and in 2017 Putin made him chairman of Rosneft, Russia's biggest gas and petroleum company. He has also served on the board of directors of Gazprom. His little protege Sholtz is currently saying all the correct things about supporting Ukraine but I categorically guarantee you that he will be singing a very different tune by next winter.
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Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc triple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 16 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,482
Point 3 coming up by the way...
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,484
I will be making a statement about Russias invasion of Ukraine later.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 41 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,485
Okay, credit where it's due, it seems my doubts were misplaced.
@1,157,472 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> And he's basically right about the facts here. The U.S. was never going to send a single troop into Ukraine and everyone knew it.
I'm not contesting that. My initial post mentioning "WW3" was an overreaction.
@1,157,472 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> And he's basically right about the facts here. The U.S. was never going to send a single troop into Ukraine and everyone knew it.
I'm not contesting that. My initial post mentioning "WW3" was an overreaction.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,486
@1,157,484 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> I will be making a statement about Russias invasion of Ukraine later.
Lol
> I will be making a statement about Russias invasion of Ukraine later.
Lol
Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,487
The FA stands with Ukraine 🐾💛tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,488
@1,157,401 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> Don't forget to change your Facebook avatar to the Ukrainian flag!
You've inspired me to place a small Ukrainian flag next to every page title. Russia won't know what hit them.
> Don't forget to change your Facebook avatar to the Ukrainian flag!
You've inspired me to place a small Ukrainian flag next to every page title. Russia won't know what hit them.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 41 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,489
I’ve seen videos of armed Russian soldiers maneuvering around the outskirts of Kyiv and Ukrainian citizens are driving by like nothing is happening.
I don’t see any meaningful insurgency happening
I know this is only based off 30 second Twitter videos but I mean come on
I don’t see any meaningful insurgency happening
I know this is only based off 30 second Twitter videos but I mean come on
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,490
@1,157,488 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Please explain why you posted this image before The™ Great™ Reset™:
@1,157,365 (J)
Thanks.
Please explain why you posted this image before The™ Great™ Reset™:
@1,157,365 (J)
Thanks.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,491
Reason #3: it looks like Putin is banking on a few things. Firstly, that America is getting sick and tired of Zelenskiy (and Ukraine in general), who has been a disappointment to them. He's also banking on the EU being profoundly hurt (as they will be) by whatever 'sanctions' America insists they impose. Finally, he's banking on NATO not lifting a finger to actively help Ukraine when Russia invades. Is he right to bank on this?
To point 1, yes. Zelenskiy is quite literally a clown and Ukraine is the biggest pain in America's ass right now. In 2016 Obama laid out why the US would never fight for the country (because fatuous nonsense about "democracy" aside they truly couldn't give a shit about it), whereas Russia would do everything to take it. Ukraine matters enormously to Putin. It doesn't matter to America. "Bu-bu-but WHAT ABOUT DEMOCRACY???" Don't worry Americans, there are plenty of military dictatorships over in Africa for you to go and liberate (oh wait, you don't give 2 fucks about them do you?).
To point 2, I think he's also correct. America and its allies are putting on a "unified front" right now but give it 6 months. If the sanctions America is talking about are accurate then the Ukrainian economy will be destroyed within a week, countries like Finland, Macedonia (who get 100% of their gas from Russia), Germany (49%), France (25%), Italy (45%) and the entirety of eastern Europe will find themselves paying exorbitant prices for their energy, not to mention having to somehow scramble to build an infrastructure that allows them to get their energy from other sources. Such projects take decades. Putin is calculating that Western Europeans and Americans - who have been spoilt for decades and cannot 'suffer' hardships anything like Russians and the Chinese - will not have the stomach to support the American government throughout the years this could potentially last. Spiralling gas prices and 10% inflation to "defend Ukrainian democracy"? Yeah, somehow I can't see the American public falling in with that, we're talking about a country that just upped the ante on its culture war over having to wear a fucking mask for a while. Hell, even the relatively piss-weak 2014 sanctions didn't last 2 years before France, Germany and Italy begged Obama to let them lift them (he told them no - part of his commitment to "sovereignty and self-determination" doncha know?).
And to point 3, he's very obviously right. Biden himself said so. I'm paraphrasing but his response to the question of whether or not the US would send troops to fight with the Ukrainians was "Americans and Russians shooting at each other is a world war. That is never going to happen". Bad for business. We'll continue to fight our proxy wars instead. Last time it was Syrians, now it's the Ukrainians' turn.
Point 4 coming up...
To point 1, yes. Zelenskiy is quite literally a clown and Ukraine is the biggest pain in America's ass right now. In 2016 Obama laid out why the US would never fight for the country (because fatuous nonsense about "democracy" aside they truly couldn't give a shit about it), whereas Russia would do everything to take it. Ukraine matters enormously to Putin. It doesn't matter to America. "Bu-bu-but WHAT ABOUT DEMOCRACY???" Don't worry Americans, there are plenty of military dictatorships over in Africa for you to go and liberate (oh wait, you don't give 2 fucks about them do you?).
To point 2, I think he's also correct. America and its allies are putting on a "unified front" right now but give it 6 months. If the sanctions America is talking about are accurate then the Ukrainian economy will be destroyed within a week, countries like Finland, Macedonia (who get 100% of their gas from Russia), Germany (49%), France (25%), Italy (45%) and the entirety of eastern Europe will find themselves paying exorbitant prices for their energy, not to mention having to somehow scramble to build an infrastructure that allows them to get their energy from other sources. Such projects take decades. Putin is calculating that Western Europeans and Americans - who have been spoilt for decades and cannot 'suffer' hardships anything like Russians and the Chinese - will not have the stomach to support the American government throughout the years this could potentially last. Spiralling gas prices and 10% inflation to "defend Ukrainian democracy"? Yeah, somehow I can't see the American public falling in with that, we're talking about a country that just upped the ante on its culture war over having to wear a fucking mask for a while. Hell, even the relatively piss-weak 2014 sanctions didn't last 2 years before France, Germany and Italy begged Obama to let them lift them (he told them no - part of his commitment to "sovereignty and self-determination" doncha know?).
And to point 3, he's very obviously right. Biden himself said so. I'm paraphrasing but his response to the question of whether or not the US would send troops to fight with the Ukrainians was "Americans and Russians shooting at each other is a world war. That is never going to happen". Bad for business. We'll continue to fight our proxy wars instead. Last time it was Syrians, now it's the Ukrainians' turn.
Point 4 coming up...
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,492
@1,157,481 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
I admittedly know very little about Russian politics, but German politics I am familiar with. I think Scholz's "no need for sanctions right now" line last week made obvious his hesitancy, but on the other hand I believe the US are fully able to drag Germany, kicking and screaming, into enacting whatever sanctions the US demand of them. It's dead wrong to think the US can't exert powerful influence over Germany (I'm not suggesting you're saying that, but many have done).
I admittedly know very little about Russian politics, but German politics I am familiar with. I think Scholz's "no need for sanctions right now" line last week made obvious his hesitancy, but on the other hand I believe the US are fully able to drag Germany, kicking and screaming, into enacting whatever sanctions the US demand of them. It's dead wrong to think the US can't exert powerful influence over Germany (I'm not suggesting you're saying that, but many have done).
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 16 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,494
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,496
@1,157,490 (F)
> Please explain why you posted this image before The™ Great™ Reset™:
Because I think Russia have legitimate concerns about the presence of NATO/Western military bases and assets at and near their borders. What rational country would accept this? The US certainly wouldn't. I think addressing Russian concerns could have perhaps avoided this conflict. I don't agree with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but it's important to understand the Russian position; from their POV, they're acting out of self-preservation.
The map is inaccurate (NATO bases in Kazakhstan? Ukraine? haha) but it was a funny way to make that point.
> Please explain why you posted this image before The™ Great™ Reset™:
Because I think Russia have legitimate concerns about the presence of NATO/Western military bases and assets at and near their borders. What rational country would accept this? The US certainly wouldn't. I think addressing Russian concerns could have perhaps avoided this conflict. I don't agree with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but it's important to understand the Russian position; from their POV, they're acting out of self-preservation.
The map is inaccurate (NATO bases in Kazakhstan? Ukraine? haha) but it was a funny way to make that point.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,499
@1,157,492 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> I admittedly know very little about Russian politics, but German politics I am familiar with. I think Scholz's "no need for sanctions right now" line last week made obvious his hesitancy, but on the other hand I believe the US are fully able to drag Germany, kicking and screaming, into enacting whatever sanctions the US demand of them. It's dead wrong to think the US can't exert powerful influence over Germany (I'm not suggesting you're saying that, but many have done).
Oh for sure, the US will absolutely do everything thay can to dictate Germany's energy policy (again, gotta love their commitment to "the right of every sovereign nation to choose their own business partners"). But for how long can they manage it? Again, the 2014 sanctions were relatively piss-weak and it was less than 18 months before Germany, France and Italy were pleading with Obama to let them lift them. These new sanctions will tank everyone. That's Putin's fairly clever move here. He hasn't put Russia in a dangerous situation. He's put EVERYONE in one and decided to see who has the stamina to see it out.
> I admittedly know very little about Russian politics, but German politics I am familiar with. I think Scholz's "no need for sanctions right now" line last week made obvious his hesitancy, but on the other hand I believe the US are fully able to drag Germany, kicking and screaming, into enacting whatever sanctions the US demand of them. It's dead wrong to think the US can't exert powerful influence over Germany (I'm not suggesting you're saying that, but many have done).
Oh for sure, the US will absolutely do everything thay can to dictate Germany's energy policy (again, gotta love their commitment to "the right of every sovereign nation to choose their own business partners"). But for how long can they manage it? Again, the 2014 sanctions were relatively piss-weak and it was less than 18 months before Germany, France and Italy were pleading with Obama to let them lift them. These new sanctions will tank everyone. That's Putin's fairly clever move here. He hasn't put Russia in a dangerous situation. He's put EVERYONE in one and decided to see who has the stamina to see it out.
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,500
@1,157,496 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Because I think Russia have legitimate concerns about the presence of NATO/Western military bases and assets at and near their borders.
No you don't.
> What rational country would accept this? The US certainly wouldn't.
Yes it would.
> I think addressing Russian concerns could have perhaps avoided this conflict.
I don't.
> I don't agree with the Russian invasion of Ukraine
I do.
> but it's important to understand the Russian position;
No it isn't.
> from their POV, they're acting out of self-preservation.
No they aren't.
> Because I think Russia have legitimate concerns about the presence of NATO/Western military bases and assets at and near their borders.
No you don't.
> What rational country would accept this? The US certainly wouldn't.
Yes it would.
> I think addressing Russian concerns could have perhaps avoided this conflict.
I don't.
> I don't agree with the Russian invasion of Ukraine
I do.
> but it's important to understand the Russian position;
No it isn't.
> from their POV, they're acting out of self-preservation.
No they aren't.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,501
@previous (F)
> > Because I think Russia have legitimate concerns about the presence of NATO/Western military bases and assets at and near their borders.
> No you don't.
Yes, I do.
> > What rational country would accept this? The US certainly wouldn't.
> Yes it would.
Imagine if Russia were to station military assets on Cub--
> > Because I think Russia have legitimate concerns about the presence of NATO/Western military bases and assets at and near their borders.
> No you don't.
Yes, I do.
> > What rational country would accept this? The US certainly wouldn't.
> Yes it would.
Imagine if Russia were to station military assets on Cub--
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,502
@1,157,499 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> Oh for sure, the US will absolutely do everything they can to dictate Germany's energy policy (again, gotta love their commitment to "the right of every sovereign nation to choose their own business partners"). But for how long can they manage it? Again, the 2014 sanctions were relatively piss-weak and it was less than 18 months before Germany, France and Italy were pleading with Obama to let them lift them. These new sanctions will tank everyone. That's Putin's fairly clever move here. He hasn't put Russia in a dangerous situation. He's put EVERYONE in one and decided to see who has the stamina to see it out.
That's true. I feel similarly when it comes to discussion about banning Russia from SWIFT. It would hurt Russia, but 1) would fantastically wound the world economy, 2) would further push Russia into the arms of China (and their banking system), and 3) incentivise Russia to further develop what I understand is their own fledging payment system.
What a mess.
> Oh for sure, the US will absolutely do everything they can to dictate Germany's energy policy (again, gotta love their commitment to "the right of every sovereign nation to choose their own business partners"). But for how long can they manage it? Again, the 2014 sanctions were relatively piss-weak and it was less than 18 months before Germany, France and Italy were pleading with Obama to let them lift them. These new sanctions will tank everyone. That's Putin's fairly clever move here. He hasn't put Russia in a dangerous situation. He's put EVERYONE in one and decided to see who has the stamina to see it out.
That's true. I feel similarly when it comes to discussion about banning Russia from SWIFT. It would hurt Russia, but 1) would fantastically wound the world economy, 2) would further push Russia into the arms of China (and their banking system), and 3) incentivise Russia to further develop what I understand is their own fledging payment system.
What a mess.
Anonymous S joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,503
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
It would only hurt Russia to kick them from Swift. It will happen and nobody will care
It would only hurt Russia to kick them from Swift. It will happen and nobody will care
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,504
@1,157,496 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> >Please explain why you posted this image before The™ Great™ Reset™:
> Because I think Russia have legitimate concerns about the presence of NATO/Western military bases and assets at and near their borders. What rational country would accept this? The US certainly wouldn't. I think addressing Russian concerns could have perhaps avoided this conflict. I don't agree with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but it's important to understand the Russian position; from their POV, they're acting out of self-preservation.
On this point, I've posted this link already on this forum but anyone interested in WHY Russia is doing what it is doing, this is required reading by the former American Ambassador to the USSR and the guy who basically helped broker the end of the Cold War.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/15/the-origins-of-the-ukraine-crisis-and-how-conflict-can-be-avoided/
I get a fair bit of snark in here for "always talking about America", but yeah, context is hard isn't it? "Sweetie, I know I broke your nose and fractured your ribs and gave you a black eye and threatened to kill you, but we're not talking about ME now, we're talking about YOU...so why are YOU pointing a knife at me, huh? Where has this aggression come from?"
Read it.
Point 4 coming up, I promise.
> >Please explain why you posted this image before The™ Great™ Reset™:
> Because I think Russia have legitimate concerns about the presence of NATO/Western military bases and assets at and near their borders. What rational country would accept this? The US certainly wouldn't. I think addressing Russian concerns could have perhaps avoided this conflict. I don't agree with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but it's important to understand the Russian position; from their POV, they're acting out of self-preservation.
On this point, I've posted this link already on this forum but anyone interested in WHY Russia is doing what it is doing, this is required reading by the former American Ambassador to the USSR and the guy who basically helped broker the end of the Cold War.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/15/the-origins-of-the-ukraine-crisis-and-how-conflict-can-be-avoided/
I get a fair bit of snark in here for "always talking about America", but yeah, context is hard isn't it? "Sweetie, I know I broke your nose and fractured your ribs and gave you a black eye and threatened to kill you, but we're not talking about ME now, we're talking about YOU...so why are YOU pointing a knife at me, huh? Where has this aggression come from?"
Read it.
Point 4 coming up, I promise.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,506
@1,157,491 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> Spiralling gas prices and 10% inflation to "defend Ukrainian democracy"?
Can confirm that gasoline prices are THE most important metric of a president's success or failure in America. Unemployment rate, stock market, housing prices, whatever all pale in comparison to the cost of filling up your pickup truck. If you can claim you made cheap gas prices happen you have won the eternal loyalty of the American people (until they go up again).
> Spiralling gas prices and 10% inflation to "defend Ukrainian democracy"?
Can confirm that gasoline prices are THE most important metric of a president's success or failure in America. Unemployment rate, stock market, housing prices, whatever all pale in comparison to the cost of filling up your pickup truck. If you can claim you made cheap gas prices happen you have won the eternal loyalty of the American people (until they go up again).
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 47 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,507
@1,157,500 (F)
> > What rational country would accept this? The US certainly wouldn't.
> Yes it would.
Let Mexico try to enter into a "defence alliance" with Russia and we'll see how long America's commitment to "the immutable right of every sovereign nation to decide for themselves which organisations they want to be a part of" will last. Spoiler alert: about 15 minutes.
> > What rational country would accept this? The US certainly wouldn't.
> Yes it would.
Let Mexico try to enter into a "defence alliance" with Russia and we'll see how long America's commitment to "the immutable right of every sovereign nation to decide for themselves which organisations they want to be a part of" will last. Spoiler alert: about 15 minutes.
Anonymous R replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,510
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,512
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,515
@1,157,510 (R)
> A better example might be Cuba.
Cuba is a real historical example for sure but my point is that the next time Biden or Blinken trot out their usual shit about "the sovereign right of every nation to determine their own alliances", I wish just ONE journalist would ask them "So you'd be ok with Mexico choosing to sign a defence agreement with Russia?"
Americans are very good at saying "ooooh but that was HISTORY, that was SO LONG AGO, and we're talking about YOU NOW!", so give them a concrete modern hypothetical. Expose their hypocritical bullshit live on air for the world to see.
> A better example might be Cuba.
Cuba is a real historical example for sure but my point is that the next time Biden or Blinken trot out their usual shit about "the sovereign right of every nation to determine their own alliances", I wish just ONE journalist would ask them "So you'd be ok with Mexico choosing to sign a defence agreement with Russia?"
Americans are very good at saying "ooooh but that was HISTORY, that was SO LONG AGO, and we're talking about YOU NOW!", so give them a concrete modern hypothetical. Expose their hypocritical bullshit live on air for the world to see.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,516
@1,157,512 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> When was the last time anyone tried to attack Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Slovakia, you get the point.
> When was the last time anyone tried to attack Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Slovakia, you get the point.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,518
@1,157,496 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Because I think Russia have legitimate concerns about the presence of NATO/Western military bases and assets at and near their borders. What rational country would accept this?
I have to ask again, what does the presence of these bases impede besides military invasions?
If Russia had legitimate concerns that NATO was going to invade, I would see your point. But I think it's more that those bases are in the way of Russia forcibly exerting power over neighbouring countries.
> Because I think Russia have legitimate concerns about the presence of NATO/Western military bases and assets at and near their borders. What rational country would accept this?
I have to ask again, what does the presence of these bases impede besides military invasions?
If Russia had legitimate concerns that NATO was going to invade, I would see your point. But I think it's more that those bases are in the way of Russia forcibly exerting power over neighbouring countries.
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,519
@1,157,515 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
You're right lol! Morality is out the window. Anything and everything is justifiable. Now that's what I call liberty!
You're right lol! Morality is out the window. Anything and everything is justifiable. Now that's what I call liberty!
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 23 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,520
@1,157,515 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Are you guys still friends with Cuba? I think it would be hilarious to park some Russian nukes there again 😎👌
Are you guys still friends with Cuba? I think it would be hilarious to park some Russian nukes there again 😎👌
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 19 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,521
@1,157,518 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> I have to ask again, what does the presence of these bases impede besides military invasions?
That would be a fair question were we to believe NATO or the West to be angelic defenders of democracy, never waging illegitimate wars of aggression (there are too many counterexamples to begin to list, but we're all aware of at least ten).
It's like saying the US should've had no problem with Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Even the US understood Russia's anxiety with missiles placed in Turkey at the time, rightfully so. No country wants hostile military forces on their borders.
> I have to ask again, what does the presence of these bases impede besides military invasions?
That would be a fair question were we to believe NATO or the West to be angelic defenders of democracy, never waging illegitimate wars of aggression (there are too many counterexamples to begin to list, but we're all aware of at least ten).
It's like saying the US should've had no problem with Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Even the US understood Russia's anxiety with missiles placed in Turkey at the time, rightfully so. No country wants hostile military forces on their borders.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,523
@1,157,518 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
If NATO shrugged and let Putin do his thing in Ukraine how far do you think it will go? Do you think it will end with Russian tanks rolling down the Champs-Élysées?
If NATO shrugged and let Putin do his thing in Ukraine how far do you think it will go? Do you think it will end with Russian tanks rolling down the Champs-Élysées?
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,524
@1,157,520 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
I don't know if they could transport their rusted out nukes all the way to Cuba without them disintegrating into the sea.
I don't know if they could transport their rusted out nukes all the way to Cuba without them disintegrating into the sea.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,526
@1,157,520 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> Are you guys still friends with Cuba? I think it would be hilarious to park some Russian nukes there again 😎👌
Sometimes I don’t know if you’re trolling or really as stupid as you pretend to be
> Are you guys still friends with Cuba? I think it would be hilarious to park some Russian nukes there again 😎👌
Sometimes I don’t know if you’re trolling or really as stupid as you pretend to be
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 20 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,527
@1,157,504 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Thanks for these. I have some thoughts but I'll hold my tongue until you finish your posts.
Thanks for these. I have some thoughts but I'll hold my tongue until you finish your posts.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 46 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,530
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 39 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,531
> Nuclear war is funny tee hee 😂 Wouldn’t it be awesome to be nuked? LMAO! 😂
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 43 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,533
@1,157,521 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> were we to believe NATO or the West to be angelic defenders of democracy, never waging illegitimate wars of aggression
Far from it, they don't need to be perfect good guys to not launch a costly, sprawling invasion of Russia. It's a matter of practicality.
I'm open to being persuaded, but I'm not convinced there was a risk of that happening.
> were we to believe NATO or the West to be angelic defenders of democracy, never waging illegitimate wars of aggression
Far from it, they don't need to be perfect good guys to not launch a costly, sprawling invasion of Russia. It's a matter of practicality.
I'm open to being persuaded, but I'm not convinced there was a risk of that happening.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,534
@1,157,523 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
I mean it depends on your time frame. Short term it probably stops at Ukraine but big-picture he can go until he hits NATO territory.
I mean it depends on your time frame. Short term it probably stops at Ukraine but big-picture he can go until he hits NATO territory.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,536
@1,157,530 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Do you even read MAtt’s posts??? How do I sound anything at all like him
Do you even read MAtt’s posts??? How do I sound anything at all like him
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,537
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 23 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,538
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 16 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,539
@1,157,521 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> >I have to ask again, what does the presence of these bases impede besides military invasions?
> That would be a fair question were we to believe NATO or the West to be angelic defenders of democracy, never waging illegitimate wars of aggression (there are too many counterexamples to begin to list, but we're all aware of at least ten).
North Korea and the US are the same! One can never criticize the other!
> >I have to ask again, what does the presence of these bases impede besides military invasions?
> That would be a fair question were we to believe NATO or the West to be angelic defenders of democracy, never waging illegitimate wars of aggression (there are too many counterexamples to begin to list, but we're all aware of at least ten).
North Korea and the US are the same! One can never criticize the other!
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 20 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,540
@1,157,533 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
They don't need to be fearful of a full-scale invasion to be concerned, though. Even hampering their ability to exercise self-defence is enough of a worry for any sovereign state. Anti-aircraft articles alone raise concern, not just for Russia but for any and every country.
They don't need to be fearful of a full-scale invasion to be concerned, though. Even hampering their ability to exercise self-defence is enough of a worry for any sovereign state. Anti-aircraft articles alone raise concern, not just for Russia but for any and every country.
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,541
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,542
Nuke me harder daddy ☢️💥😍tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 30 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,543
@1,157,503 (S)
> It would only hurt Russia to kick them from Swift. It will happen and nobody will care
I don't think for a moment that's true. Russia will pay a price for its invasion of Ukraine, but preventing them from utilising SWIFT would be a drastic measure. The company I work for has major energy clients in Europe, and there is legitimate concern. I don't know enough about it to really say anything concrete, but there is real anxiety and I don't think their fears are unfounded.
Happy to be corrected though.
> It would only hurt Russia to kick them from Swift. It will happen and nobody will care
I don't think for a moment that's true. Russia will pay a price for its invasion of Ukraine, but preventing them from utilising SWIFT would be a drastic measure. The company I work for has major energy clients in Europe, and there is legitimate concern. I don't know enough about it to really say anything concrete, but there is real anxiety and I don't think their fears are unfounded.
Happy to be corrected though.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,544
@1,157,537 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> I want America to go out with a bang 😂👌
You can ride your rascal scooter directly into the blast wave with your MAGA hat on fatty
> I want America to go out with a bang 😂👌
You can ride your rascal scooter directly into the blast wave with your MAGA hat on fatty
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 17 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,545
@1,157,527 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Thanks for these. I have some thoughts but I'll hold my tongue until you finish your posts.
Gotta take a short break to put the baby to bed, I'll be back a little later.
> Thanks for these. I have some thoughts but I'll hold my tongue until you finish your posts.
Gotta take a short break to put the baby to bed, I'll be back a little later.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 37 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,546
@1,157,536 (A)
> Do you even read MAtt’s posts??? How do I sound anything at all like him
Sorry, Matt hates Meta so I thought you were him.
> Do you even read MAtt’s posts??? How do I sound anything at all like him
Sorry, Matt hates Meta so I thought you were him.
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,547
@1,157,536 (A)
> How do I sound anything at all like him?
You know how autists have facial blindness? Yeah, it's kind of like that for text (apparently). I don't know. Ask father dave. He'll write you a five paragraph expository essay about it.
> How do I sound anything at all like him?
You know how autists have facial blindness? Yeah, it's kind of like that for text (apparently). I don't know. Ask father dave. He'll write you a five paragraph expository essay about it.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,548
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,549
Off topic: how do I remove that stupid blue and yellow thing from all the topic headlines
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,558
@1,157,540 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Sorry, I'm not convinced. I think their attitude towards the bases is a lot more to do with asserting military power rather than self-defence.
If it's about not appearing weak towards a foreign power, that's a bit more sympathetic, I think. But there's ways to do that that aren't, well, something like this.
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
You have to ask tteh to remove it.
Sorry, I'm not convinced. I think their attitude towards the bases is a lot more to do with asserting military power rather than self-defence.
If it's about not appearing weak towards a foreign power, that's a bit more sympathetic, I think. But there's ways to do that that aren't, well, something like this.
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
You have to ask tteh to remove it.
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 42 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,559
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 39 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,560
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,562
@1,157,558 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
It's just reality that no country would allow it. "Oops, looks like we're surrounded; our ability to defend ourselves is massively diminished. Oh well." Would no country ever utter. Not the UK, US, China, France, Germany, North Korea, Japan, Australia.
This is literally happening because we've ignored this. And it'll probably happen again. We can do this again and again but it'll be at our peril. It's dumb.
No country is going to be content with containment.
I don't support Russia's invasion but it's been being predicted for a LONG time. We've pushed them into a corner and are shocked at their reaction.
It's just reality that no country would allow it. "Oops, looks like we're surrounded; our ability to defend ourselves is massively diminished. Oh well." Would no country ever utter. Not the UK, US, China, France, Germany, North Korea, Japan, Australia.
This is literally happening because we've ignored this. And it'll probably happen again. We can do this again and again but it'll be at our peril. It's dumb.
No country is going to be content with containment.
I don't support Russia's invasion but it's been being predicted for a LONG time. We've pushed them into a corner and are shocked at their reaction.
(Edited 3 minutes later.)
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,566
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> It's just reality that no country would allow it. "Oops, looks like we're surrounded; our ability to defend ourselves is massively diminished. Oh well." Would no country ever utter. Not the UK, US, China, France, Germany, North Korea, Japan, Australia.
This is a moral relativist deflection and not a real argument
> It's just reality that no country would allow it. "Oops, looks like we're surrounded; our ability to defend ourselves is massively diminished. Oh well." Would no country ever utter. Not the UK, US, China, France, Germany, North Korea, Japan, Australia.
This is a moral relativist deflection and not a real argument
Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,569
@1,157,481 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> Reason #2 of "why exactly now?" is the retirement of Merkel and the election of Olaf Sholtz as German chancellor.
I think that this was actually a more important reason than Biden vs Trump being in office. Having an ally in Europe, closer to home, is vital.
Also, Biden is predictable, yes, but more importantly, he is weak. The Democrats are far too distracted waging their wokeness war on their own citizens, and Putin knows it.
> Reason #2 of "why exactly now?" is the retirement of Merkel and the election of Olaf Sholtz as German chancellor.
I think that this was actually a more important reason than Biden vs Trump being in office. Having an ally in Europe, closer to home, is vital.
Also, Biden is predictable, yes, but more importantly, he is weak. The Democrats are far too distracted waging their wokeness war on their own citizens, and Putin knows it.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,571
blom joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,572
@1,157,399 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> I made a poll 2 weeks ago wherein I said it wouldn't happen before February 23rd (not a date I randomly pulled from my arse) and it didn't
Quite right, it happened at 3am on February 24th.
> I made a poll 2 weeks ago wherein I said it wouldn't happen before February 23rd (not a date I randomly pulled from my arse) and it didn't
Quite right, it happened at 3am on February 24th.
Anonymous R replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,574
@1,157,571 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
If you could sleep with anyone on RT,past or present, who would you pick?
If you could sleep with anyone on RT,past or present, who would you pick?
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,575
@1,157,562 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> This is literally happening because we've ignored this. And it'll probably happen again. We can do this again and again but it'll be at our peril.
> it's been being predicted for a LONG time. We've pushed them into a corner and are shocked at their reaction.
Do you think it could have gone differently? What could have been done to prevent it? I'm genuinely curious as to what you think should have been done differently.
Those bases were put where they are for a reason, and I think that Russia's sabre rattling has done its part to keep them around. I don't think that Russia is blameless in this.
> This is literally happening because we've ignored this. And it'll probably happen again. We can do this again and again but it'll be at our peril.
> it's been being predicted for a LONG time. We've pushed them into a corner and are shocked at their reaction.
Do you think it could have gone differently? What could have been done to prevent it? I'm genuinely curious as to what you think should have been done differently.
Those bases were put where they are for a reason, and I think that Russia's sabre rattling has done its part to keep them around. I don't think that Russia is blameless in this.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,579
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
I think, for starters, acknowledging Russia have legitimate concerns could have helped. While Russia were never formally promised anything, there was, as I understand, an informal agreement that NATO would not expand further Eastward. The opposite happened.
It's all well and good to say that Russia should be unique in the world and allow this encirclement, but why? I wouldn't, were I to run a country, lol. This is the price we're paying.
Negotiations in the last few months went nowhere because NATO and the West rejected every single one of them, and would compromise on nothing.
Ukraine means NOTHING to any of us, let's be honest. Would you fight for Ukraine? No British or American or European soldier is going to fight and die for a country they probably can't locate on a map. The least we could have done ("appeasement" as US warhawks might call it; "negotiations" we call it down here in reality) is make some concessions; no Ukrainian or Georgian membership of NATO or the EU (perhaps within a timeframe, e.g. 20 years) and a partial drawback of NATO troops from certain counties, etc. I don't know.
I'm no diplomat, but we've essentially said "no" to everything and shock, horror! Russia have decided to react. I don't think I expected genius from Biden or Stoltenberg but this is a bloody mess.
I think, for starters, acknowledging Russia have legitimate concerns could have helped. While Russia were never formally promised anything, there was, as I understand, an informal agreement that NATO would not expand further Eastward. The opposite happened.
It's all well and good to say that Russia should be unique in the world and allow this encirclement, but why? I wouldn't, were I to run a country, lol. This is the price we're paying.
Negotiations in the last few months went nowhere because NATO and the West rejected every single one of them, and would compromise on nothing.
Ukraine means NOTHING to any of us, let's be honest. Would you fight for Ukraine? No British or American or European soldier is going to fight and die for a country they probably can't locate on a map. The least we could have done ("appeasement" as US warhawks might call it; "negotiations" we call it down here in reality) is make some concessions; no Ukrainian or Georgian membership of NATO or the EU (perhaps within a timeframe, e.g. 20 years) and a partial drawback of NATO troops from certain counties, etc. I don't know.
I'm no diplomat, but we've essentially said "no" to everything and shock, horror! Russia have decided to react. I don't think I expected genius from Biden or Stoltenberg but this is a bloody mess.
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Das Boot replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,588
Has anyone stopped to ponder why American and British idiots are so in favor of the US and UK perspective yet everyone else realizes Russia has some fair arguments?
No? Carry on reading neolib Guardian articles then, let them inform your every opinion 😂😂😂
No? Carry on reading neolib Guardian articles then, let them inform your every opinion 😂😂😂
Anonymous V joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 17 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,590
@1,157,543 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
They have fear because Russia will probably “for real” be banned from SWIFT payments. Anxiety at your company doesn’t mean the EU bankers won’t do it.
Biden was just on LIVE television saying that all Russian assets in the US will be immediately frozen! And saying the same will occur in the EU!
Putin is fast-tracking cryptocurrency as legal tender in Russia, so why would they care if they can send monies via SWIFT?
They have fear because Russia will probably “for real” be banned from SWIFT payments. Anxiety at your company doesn’t mean the EU bankers won’t do it.
Biden was just on LIVE television saying that all Russian assets in the US will be immediately frozen! And saying the same will occur in the EU!
Putin is fast-tracking cryptocurrency as legal tender in Russia, so why would they care if they can send monies via SWIFT?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 second later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,591
What “legitimate concern” does Russia have by Ukraine joining NATO? NATO is entirely defensive. Article 5 can only be invoked when a country is attacked. There’s a reason why NATO didn’t aide the USA in Iraq because it wasn’t invaded in defense it was “pre-emptive”
All NATO would do is protect countries from being attacked. There is no real threat to Russia from a country being in NATO unless Russia wants to invade said country
All NATO would do is protect countries from being attacked. There is no real threat to Russia from a country being in NATO unless Russia wants to invade said country
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,593
@1,157,579 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
How do you make a good buffer state? I can see Russia's case that they don't want NATO on their doorstep but NATO countries also (quite reasonably) don't want a Russian puppet state on their doorstep.
How do you make a good buffer state? I can see Russia's case that they don't want NATO on their doorstep but NATO countries also (quite reasonably) don't want a Russian puppet state on their doorstep.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,595
@1,157,591 (A)
Article 5 was invoked against Afghanistan after 9/11. Did Afghanistan attack the US?
NATO might promise certain things now, but why should Russia take them at their word?
Article 5 was invoked against Afghanistan after 9/11. Did Afghanistan attack the US?
NATO might promise certain things now, but why should Russia take them at their word?
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tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,597
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,605
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)Even in the good old days though you still had NATO and Warsaw Pact ni🅱️🅱️as right up against each other.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,606
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 16 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,612
@1,157,595 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Article 5 was invoked against Afghanistan after 9/11. Did Afghanistan attack the US?
>
> NATO might promise certain things now, but why should Russia take them at their word?
Actually Afghanistan did! The Taliban provided training and support for Al Qaida who were funded and essentially an arm of the afghan military
> Article 5 was invoked against Afghanistan after 9/11. Did Afghanistan attack the US?
>
> NATO might promise certain things now, but why should Russia take them at their word?
Actually Afghanistan did! The Taliban provided training and support for Al Qaida who were funded and essentially an arm of the afghan military
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,614
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,615
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 24 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,636
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,640
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_September_11_attacks
Read dis TTEH - anyway back to Ukraine/Russia
Read dis TTEH - anyway back to Ukraine/Russia
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 45 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,641
@1,157,523 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> If NATO shrugged and let Putin do his thing in Ukraine how far do you think it will go? Do you think it will end with Russian tanks rolling down the Champs-Élysées?
No. If his troops set foot in a NATO country it'll be his end.
> If NATO shrugged and let Putin do his thing in Ukraine how far do you think it will go? Do you think it will end with Russian tanks rolling down the Champs-Élysées?
No. If his troops set foot in a NATO country it'll be his end.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 54 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,642
@1,157,606 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
It's the same thing though except the dividing line just moved west a few countries.
Personally I think NATO should have been disbanded in 1991 at the same time as the Warsaw Pact. Why did that not happen? 🤔
It's the same thing though except the dividing line just moved west a few countries.
Personally I think NATO should have been disbanded in 1991 at the same time as the Warsaw Pact. Why did that not happen? 🤔
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,644
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> It's the same thing though except [different thing]
Well yeah. It's the same except in the fundamental way it's different.
> It's the same thing though except [different thing]
Well yeah. It's the same except in the fundamental way it's different.
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Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,647
@1,157,579 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> It's all well and good to say that Russia should be unique in the world and allow this encirclement, but why? I wouldn't, were I to run a country, lol. This is the price we're paying.
You're saying that they're bad in principle, but haven't presented a realistic scenario where NATO is the aggressor. You mentioned Afghanistan as an example, but Russia is a much more difficult prospect for invasion, they have nuclear weapons. I am not seeing how those NATO bases were a threat in practical terms.
> but we've essentially said "no" to everything and shock, horror! Russia have decided to react. I don't think I expected genius from Biden or Stoltenberg but this is a bloody mess.
So negotiations failed and Russia was forced to invade? That's more the fault of Putin than Biden or Stoltenberg, really.
I agree with what you're saying about the west not putting enough effort into the diplomacy, but you seem to have laid zero blame at Russia's door in this post.
> It's all well and good to say that Russia should be unique in the world and allow this encirclement, but why? I wouldn't, were I to run a country, lol. This is the price we're paying.
You're saying that they're bad in principle, but haven't presented a realistic scenario where NATO is the aggressor. You mentioned Afghanistan as an example, but Russia is a much more difficult prospect for invasion, they have nuclear weapons. I am not seeing how those NATO bases were a threat in practical terms.
> but we've essentially said "no" to everything and shock, horror! Russia have decided to react. I don't think I expected genius from Biden or Stoltenberg but this is a bloody mess.
So negotiations failed and Russia was forced to invade? That's more the fault of Putin than Biden or Stoltenberg, really.
I agree with what you're saying about the west not putting enough effort into the diplomacy, but you seem to have laid zero blame at Russia's door in this post.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,648
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
NATO is defensive. They were never the aggressor, not did they provoke Russia. Putin knows this, but just used that as a scapegoat to invade.
NATO is defensive. They were never the aggressor, not did they provoke Russia. Putin knows this, but just used that as a scapegoat to invade.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,653
@1,157,647 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> but haven't presented a realistic scenario where NATO is the aggressor
Of course. Russia would hardly hang around until there's a realistic battleplan.
Again: you would have to be abjectly retarded to be a sovereign state, allow yourself to be surrounded by your largest adversary and her allies, and shrug it off because "well, y'know, they say they probably will be nice, despite all the historical evidence to the contrary".
It's the same with Libya. The destruction of Libya (and subsequent civil war) was a valuable lesson: arm yourself TO THE TEETH, nuclearly if possible, or you're essentially a sitting duck. I hardly blame even North Korea for what they're doing.
Don't back people into a corner.
> but haven't presented a realistic scenario where NATO is the aggressor
Of course. Russia would hardly hang around until there's a realistic battleplan.
Again: you would have to be abjectly retarded to be a sovereign state, allow yourself to be surrounded by your largest adversary and her allies, and shrug it off because "well, y'know, they say they probably will be nice, despite all the historical evidence to the contrary".
It's the same with Libya. The destruction of Libya (and subsequent civil war) was a valuable lesson: arm yourself TO THE TEETH, nuclearly if possible, or you're essentially a sitting duck. I hardly blame even North Korea for what they're doing.
Don't back people into a corner.
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,654
"NATO just defends itself" is something that someone says when they have precisely zero idea about the history of anything, let alone NATO.
tteh !MemesToDNA triple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 57 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,655
Can't we all just be friends.Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,656
@1,157,653 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Why do you think Russia's interests cannot be aligned with the rest of the Western world? Most of the countries in NATO have been, historically, bitter enemies -- some all the way up to and including within the past century. Most of the reasons I can think of for justifying this division nothing to do with the good of Russia or its people. They only have to do with what's good for its oligarchy. THe Western world is not without faults, but it takes quite a level of gymnastics to reach the type of conclusions you're reaching.
Why do you think Russia's interests cannot be aligned with the rest of the Western world? Most of the countries in NATO have been, historically, bitter enemies -- some all the way up to and including within the past century. Most of the reasons I can think of for justifying this division nothing to do with the good of Russia or its people. They only have to do with what's good for its oligarchy. THe Western world is not without faults, but it takes quite a level of gymnastics to reach the type of conclusions you're reaching.
Anonymous F double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,658
@1,157,655 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Ooh, a storm is threat'ning
My very life today
If I don't get some shelter
Ooh yeah, I'm gonna fade away
Ooh, a storm is threat'ning
My very life today
If I don't get some shelter
Ooh yeah, I'm gonna fade away
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,659
@1,157,656 (F)
> Why do you think Russia's interests cannot be aligned with the rest of the Western world?
They could be. Do you think we've done all that we could have done to realise this goal? Maybe slowly approaching their borders with troops wasn't the right way to approach this? Thoughts?
> Why do you think Russia's interests cannot be aligned with the rest of the Western world?
They could be. Do you think we've done all that we could have done to realise this goal? Maybe slowly approaching their borders with troops wasn't the right way to approach this? Thoughts?
Anonymous W joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,661
Ukraine bans men 18-60 from leaving the country.
It's confirmed, folks. Only Ukranian qtπ females heading west 😉
It's confirmed, folks. Only Ukranian qtπ females heading west 😉
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,662
@1,157,659 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
No, I don't think either side is blameless. But I don't think it's beyond either side to extend a hand of support. Responding with gun shots is the exact opposite of what I know can and should happen.
"No, you first!" it's like we're on a playground.
Japan, Germany, would still be bitter enemies of the remaining Western world today if we acted like we're acting now.
No, I don't think either side is blameless. But I don't think it's beyond either side to extend a hand of support. Responding with gun shots is the exact opposite of what I know can and should happen.
"No, you first!" it's like we're on a playground.
Japan, Germany, would still be bitter enemies of the remaining Western world today if we acted like we're acting now.
Anonymous F double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 59 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,663
Anonymous W replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,664
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Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 16 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,675
You can't defend Russia anymore, they've lost all credibility by launching an attack on a sovereign country.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,678
Ok so Fake Anon, point #4 will be shorter than I'd intended (it's so hard to cover such a massive subject in posts like these) but it's getting late over here and I'm off to bed soon.
Putin believes, rightly or wrongly, that the 'old' alliances and powers are decaying or at least fraying. NATO, the EU, the US as an empire - Putin has spent 20 years as president exploiting the inherent vulnerabilities of 'democracies' and doing what he can to nudge global events in a favourable (to him) direction. Thus, the EU now has a Viktor fucking Orban-led Hungary as a member (and one that dutifully blocks any legislation harmful to Russia). This is a man who has been clamping down on everything the EU insists upon as a requisite of being a member, as has that far-right crackpot running Poland.
Across the pond he considers - again rightly or wrongly, though on this I believe he is absolutely right - that the US is a hopelessly divided nation bogged down in identity politics and a self-harming culture war that leads to electing clowns (Trump) or addled 80 year olds (Biden) as president. Americans seem likelier to vote for the guy who "owns the libz" (Trump) or lights up the White House in rainbow colours (Obama/Biden) than someone who is best qualified to navigate the country through what is going to be a very difficult decade on the geopolitical chessboard.
And finally, not that they're especially relevant on the world stage anymore, but in the UK we see the farce of the Johnson government, where people are promoted to cabinet-level positions not on merit but on their sworn loyalty to their beleaguered leader. Liz Truss as Foreign Secretary is a joke, we still haven't stopped laughing at the absolute clown she made of herself when she came here last week.
So against that backdrop, do these look like countries and people whose support for "defending Ukrainian democracy" will ever extend beyond typing "Slava Ukraina!" as their Facebook status? When their prices start to skyrocket will they still be so keen to encourage Ukrainians to keep fighting for their "democracy"? After 2 hard years of Covid (another factor in the timing by the way), are Germans and Italians and French and English people ready to bed down for a very long period of economic hell in the name of defending a (let's be honest here) puppet regime that serves only American interests? Putin is banking on no.
As I said in my earlier point (#3 I think?), it can't be emphasised enough just how much of a shitshow things will be for Europe if America pushes ahead with its biggest threats. America is more than capable of 'beating' Putin here but only at the expense of Europe. Both sides know that, hence the brinksmanship. Biden said that if Russia invaded Ukraine he would rain a shit storm down upon the country. Well, Russia invaded today, and 2 hours ago Biden revealed what the shit storm is. It is, once again, piss-weak.
I think Putin wants to show the world the hollowness (as he sees it) of America's promises and threats. "Standing with Ukrainians" has amounted to imposing sanctions that are solely and purely designed to look after the US and EU economies rather than actually damaging the country that is currently bombing Ukraine. The people in Ukraine have done everything they could have done to be a free and open democracy and now, despite all Biden's promises about "never abandoning our friends and partners", they've been left on their own by the world they wanted to be a part of. Biden said just now he's sending a few more American troops to NATO bases. Why?? It is a totally fucking USELESS gesture to the Ukrainian people who are being invaded right now.
So to sum up, Putin has done some geopolitical calculus and he's concluded that, yet again, America's bluster about 'red lines' and "NATO's steadfast solidarity with Ukraine" will be proven to be hollow, just as it was proven to be hollow a few months ago when the US tossed the Afghans to the Taliban because they were no longer useful to American interests (or the Kurds too for another example). You wouldn't have thought Biden could afford another empty "we'll always defend our partners!" proclamation after the Afghan fiasco but during his pathetic speech just now announcing the sanctions he basically said straight out that he's having to go easy to protect the gas prices for American consumers. There's your "unwavering ally", Ukraine.
To conclude all this - 1) very favourable leadership changes in America and Germany, 2) an exhausted-by-Covid first world that wants to start having fun again, 3) the impossibility of 'punishing' Russia without causing immense harm to Europe's economies and America's gas prices, 4) Putin being sick and tired of being ignored by America in his demands and deciding to force the issue by raising the stakes to a stratospheric level, and 5) the emptiness of the West's claim to give a fuck about the "sovereignty and self-determination" of Ukraine when their own bills are starting to go through the roof...all of these things are why, I believe, Putin has acted now.
Putin believes, rightly or wrongly, that the 'old' alliances and powers are decaying or at least fraying. NATO, the EU, the US as an empire - Putin has spent 20 years as president exploiting the inherent vulnerabilities of 'democracies' and doing what he can to nudge global events in a favourable (to him) direction. Thus, the EU now has a Viktor fucking Orban-led Hungary as a member (and one that dutifully blocks any legislation harmful to Russia). This is a man who has been clamping down on everything the EU insists upon as a requisite of being a member, as has that far-right crackpot running Poland.
Across the pond he considers - again rightly or wrongly, though on this I believe he is absolutely right - that the US is a hopelessly divided nation bogged down in identity politics and a self-harming culture war that leads to electing clowns (Trump) or addled 80 year olds (Biden) as president. Americans seem likelier to vote for the guy who "owns the libz" (Trump) or lights up the White House in rainbow colours (Obama/Biden) than someone who is best qualified to navigate the country through what is going to be a very difficult decade on the geopolitical chessboard.
And finally, not that they're especially relevant on the world stage anymore, but in the UK we see the farce of the Johnson government, where people are promoted to cabinet-level positions not on merit but on their sworn loyalty to their beleaguered leader. Liz Truss as Foreign Secretary is a joke, we still haven't stopped laughing at the absolute clown she made of herself when she came here last week.
So against that backdrop, do these look like countries and people whose support for "defending Ukrainian democracy" will ever extend beyond typing "Slava Ukraina!" as their Facebook status? When their prices start to skyrocket will they still be so keen to encourage Ukrainians to keep fighting for their "democracy"? After 2 hard years of Covid (another factor in the timing by the way), are Germans and Italians and French and English people ready to bed down for a very long period of economic hell in the name of defending a (let's be honest here) puppet regime that serves only American interests? Putin is banking on no.
As I said in my earlier point (#3 I think?), it can't be emphasised enough just how much of a shitshow things will be for Europe if America pushes ahead with its biggest threats. America is more than capable of 'beating' Putin here but only at the expense of Europe. Both sides know that, hence the brinksmanship. Biden said that if Russia invaded Ukraine he would rain a shit storm down upon the country. Well, Russia invaded today, and 2 hours ago Biden revealed what the shit storm is. It is, once again, piss-weak.
I think Putin wants to show the world the hollowness (as he sees it) of America's promises and threats. "Standing with Ukrainians" has amounted to imposing sanctions that are solely and purely designed to look after the US and EU economies rather than actually damaging the country that is currently bombing Ukraine. The people in Ukraine have done everything they could have done to be a free and open democracy and now, despite all Biden's promises about "never abandoning our friends and partners", they've been left on their own by the world they wanted to be a part of. Biden said just now he's sending a few more American troops to NATO bases. Why?? It is a totally fucking USELESS gesture to the Ukrainian people who are being invaded right now.
So to sum up, Putin has done some geopolitical calculus and he's concluded that, yet again, America's bluster about 'red lines' and "NATO's steadfast solidarity with Ukraine" will be proven to be hollow, just as it was proven to be hollow a few months ago when the US tossed the Afghans to the Taliban because they were no longer useful to American interests (or the Kurds too for another example). You wouldn't have thought Biden could afford another empty "we'll always defend our partners!" proclamation after the Afghan fiasco but during his pathetic speech just now announcing the sanctions he basically said straight out that he's having to go easy to protect the gas prices for American consumers. There's your "unwavering ally", Ukraine.
To conclude all this - 1) very favourable leadership changes in America and Germany, 2) an exhausted-by-Covid first world that wants to start having fun again, 3) the impossibility of 'punishing' Russia without causing immense harm to Europe's economies and America's gas prices, 4) Putin being sick and tired of being ignored by America in his demands and deciding to force the issue by raising the stakes to a stratospheric level, and 5) the emptiness of the West's claim to give a fuck about the "sovereignty and self-determination" of Ukraine when their own bills are starting to go through the roof...all of these things are why, I believe, Putin has acted now.
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Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,681
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,682
@1,157,659 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Interesting point (not), do you also believe that Ukraine has committed genocide and possess “spiritual” WMD that harm the brotherhood of Russia and Ukraine?
These are all arguments used by Putin in his crazy speech to justify invading a neighboring country because they want to join the EU lol
Interesting point (not), do you also believe that Ukraine has committed genocide and possess “spiritual” WMD that harm the brotherhood of Russia and Ukraine?
These are all arguments used by Putin in his crazy speech to justify invading a neighboring country because they want to join the EU lol
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,683
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,684
@1,157,682 (A)
> because they want to join the EU lol
They want to join NATO, not the EU (more properly, joining NATO is in their Constitution). Their chances of joining the EU are even slimmer than NATO because, again, the people who are currently typing "Slava Ukraina!" on Facebook next to the picture of the broken heart-shaped Ukrainian flag will be typing very different things when 40 million Ukrainians freely turn up in their country looking for work.
> because they want to join the EU lol
They want to join NATO, not the EU (more properly, joining NATO is in their Constitution). Their chances of joining the EU are even slimmer than NATO because, again, the people who are currently typing "Slava Ukraina!" on Facebook next to the picture of the broken heart-shaped Ukrainian flag will be typing very different things when 40 million Ukrainians freely turn up in their country looking for work.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,685
Russia is creating false flag attacks to create false pretense for invasion and you’re trying to justify it by claiming Ukraine merely wishing to join the EU and NATO gives Russia a green light for invasion or at least that the West is somehow complicit.
Putin is making false claims of genocide and talking about weird mumbo jumbo like “psychological WMDs”
It’s absolute bonkers. Listen to the words Putin himself uses not whatever tankie sophistry Father Merrin uses.
Putin is making false claims of genocide and talking about weird mumbo jumbo like “psychological WMDs”
It’s absolute bonkers. Listen to the words Putin himself uses not whatever tankie sophistry Father Merrin uses.
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,686
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,687
Anonymous F replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,690
I suspect Father Dave's being paid by the word.
@1,157,678 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Here, let me do you a solid and get you a few more rubles. Now you can afford another liter of vodka to stay warm until winter passes:
Ok so basically Fake Anon, point #4 will basically be shorter than I''d intended (it's so fairly hard to for all intents and purposes cover very such a massive subject in posts like these) but it's getting late over here and I'm off to bed soon.
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@1,157,678 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Here, let me do you a solid and get you a few more rubles. Now you can afford another liter of vodka to stay warm until winter passes:
Ok so basically Fake Anon, point #4 will basically be shorter than I''d intended (it's so fairly hard to for all intents and purposes cover very such a massive subject in posts like these) but it's getting late over here and I'm off to bed soon.
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Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,694
Finally, for everyone here who is concerned about Ukrainians' situations right now, here is some information on how you can donate money to help them:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/24/us/iyw-how-to-help-ukraine/index.html
Night, everybody.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/24/us/iyw-how-to-help-ukraine/index.html
Night, everybody.
Anonymous V replied with this 2.2 years ago, 35 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,710
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Yeah right, not falling for it. What if the United States were to freeze my accounts for donating to Soon-to-be Russian Nationals?
Yeah right, not falling for it. What if the United States were to freeze my accounts for donating to Soon-to-be Russian Nationals?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,711
Wait till Bernie finds out that the US President has a private jet lolWhy is the progressive left so comically shit?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,712
Illegal war happening better shoehorn my 1% nonsense somehow into this
You deserved to lose Bernie
You deserved to lose Bernie
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,724
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,730
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,735
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
We also need to hit Russia's biggest ally and ban China from WoW. Taking a page from Kimmo's book (the chapter on disconnecting one's enemies from the internet).
We also need to hit Russia's biggest ally and ban China from WoW. Taking a page from Kimmo's book (the chapter on disconnecting one's enemies from the internet).
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2.2 years ago, 15 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,739
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,746
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 23 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,747
@1,157,744 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I like that one. She's got the classic tea tray with assorted rocks and shit on it. The grass clippings and sand are a nice touch. I guess the red and white candles signify passion and purity in a 3:1 ratio. So it's a quarter pure and three quarters passionate overall.
I like that one. She's got the classic tea tray with assorted rocks and shit on it. The grass clippings and sand are a nice touch. I guess the red and white candles signify passion and purity in a 3:1 ratio. So it's a quarter pure and three quarters passionate overall.
Meta !Sober//iZs double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,748
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 47 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,791
@previous (Z-3)
A strange message from Redfish considering they're owned by Ruptly (Russia Today).
I suppose the point is calling out Western hypocrisy but it's funny to see.
A strange message from Redfish considering they're owned by Ruptly (Russia Today).
I suppose the point is calling out Western hypocrisy but it's funny to see.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,802
The only magic that will defend Ukraine is arming the citizens with M16s!
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,806
Putin sending in a delegation for peace talks!
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 56 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,810
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> Putin sending in a delegation for peace talks!
The Russian army has surrounded Kiev. This is the "give up or we'll fuck you up" stage.
> Putin sending in a delegation for peace talks!
The Russian army has surrounded Kiev. This is the "give up or we'll fuck you up" stage.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,811
Ok but on the bright side, who doesn't want to live to see a peace deal between Russia and the West brokered by The Taliban?
https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1497114622234529793
https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1497114622234529793
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 24 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,812
Unconfirmed yet, but reports that Putin has threatened Finland and Sweden with military action if they join NATO. The madman needs to be assassinated.
Anonymous T replied with this 2.2 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,813
@Dave: What do you make of the justifications Putin gave in his speech? Specifically the accusations of Naziism, and genocide in the Donbas region? Is there any truth to this?
Anonymous Z-4 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,821
@previous (T)
Back for another beating???
To start with anything about President Trump coming from a rag like the guardian might as well come from the NYT or the Washington Compost.
Second, saying that the methodology of something was well thought out DOESN'T imply approval of the action or the result.
For example, Santa Anna's attack on the Alamo was strategically/textbook perfect. Saying that doesn't imply approval of the action or the results.
Likewise, Erwin Rommel's tactics and strategies were completely brilliant in WWII when looking at it from a dispassionate , neutral position.
Saying that doesn't imply that if I were in WWII and had him in my rifle sight I wouldn't have put a bullet through his head. As it was, the Nazi's forced Rommel to do that to himself.
As for the rest of your mindless Bull Shit, President Trump supplied Ukraine with Serious military hardware and weapons while Hussein 0bama only gave them MREs' and blankets. Trump Also attacked a Syrian base where Russian militarily was quartered when it was determined that missiles from that base carried poison gas.
Unlike 0bama's "red line in the sand" garbage.
Back for another beating???
To start with anything about President Trump coming from a rag like the guardian might as well come from the NYT or the Washington Compost.
Second, saying that the methodology of something was well thought out DOESN'T imply approval of the action or the result.
For example, Santa Anna's attack on the Alamo was strategically/textbook perfect. Saying that doesn't imply approval of the action or the results.
Likewise, Erwin Rommel's tactics and strategies were completely brilliant in WWII when looking at it from a dispassionate , neutral position.
Saying that doesn't imply that if I were in WWII and had him in my rifle sight I wouldn't have put a bullet through his head. As it was, the Nazi's forced Rommel to do that to himself.
As for the rest of your mindless Bull Shit, President Trump supplied Ukraine with Serious military hardware and weapons while Hussein 0bama only gave them MREs' and blankets. Trump Also attacked a Syrian base where Russian militarily was quartered when it was determined that missiles from that base carried poison gas.
Unlike 0bama's "red line in the sand" garbage.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,822
@1,157,813 (T)
> @Dave: What do you make of the justifications Putin gave in his speech? Specifically the accusations of Naziism, and genocide in the Donbas region? Is there any truth to this?
Good question, I'll respond to it later when I'm home. It needs another fairly lengthy post.
> @Dave: What do you make of the justifications Putin gave in his speech? Specifically the accusations of Naziism, and genocide in the Donbas region? Is there any truth to this?
Good question, I'll respond to it later when I'm home. It needs another fairly lengthy post.
Dead !Pool..v42s joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,823
Weren't we flying a Ukraine flag the other day?
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 44 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,828
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,852
Bit of a change of tune, perhaps.
German Finance Minister: We must step up sanctions against Russia, are open to cutting Russia from SWIFT
This was the finance minister, Christian Lindner. Scholz earlier disagreed with blocking Russian access to SWIFT, but I find it difficult to imagine Lindner would have made these comments without Scholz's approval.
German Finance Minister: We must step up sanctions against Russia, are open to cutting Russia from SWIFT
This was the finance minister, Christian Lindner. Scholz earlier disagreed with blocking Russian access to SWIFT, but I find it difficult to imagine Lindner would have made these comments without Scholz's approval.
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Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,853
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Taliban calls on Russia and Ukraine to end crisis through “peaceful means”> The Taliban calls on Russia and Ukraine to “resolve the crisis through dialogue and peaceful means,” according to a statement released by the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.
Anonymous T replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,855
@1,157,852 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
They're just words, which I'm sure Scholz has no problem with - at this point it's important that they're seen to be saying the right things. As Dave said, watch this space in about a year.
They're just words, which I'm sure Scholz has no problem with - at this point it's important that they're seen to be saying the right things. As Dave said, watch this space in about a year.
Anonymous Z-8 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,856
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 41 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,857
@1,157,855 (T)
Absolutely. If there's anything Germany are good at, it's words without actions.
Poor Germany. Perhaps dismantling that nuclear programme and embracing total reliance on a hostile foreign power for your energy wasn't the wisest of moves.
Absolutely. If there's anything Germany are good at, it's words without actions.
Poor Germany. Perhaps dismantling that nuclear programme and embracing total reliance on a hostile foreign power for your energy wasn't the wisest of moves.
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,858
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,859
@1,157,857 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Not having to fund a military whatsoever has its perks. Allows them to put a few more pennies into social programmes, while simultaneously allowing them to avoid the questions the big boys have to deal with on the world stage.
Not having to fund a military whatsoever has its perks. Allows them to put a few more pennies into social programmes, while simultaneously allowing them to avoid the questions the big boys have to deal with on the world stage.
Anonymous Z-9 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,860
@1,157,858 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
That footage is from the 2016 refugee crisis, prior to their bombardment of a Libyan raft.
That footage is from the 2016 refugee crisis, prior to their bombardment of a Libyan raft.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,861
@1,157,857 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
They have a lot of coal. They could, if they wanted to, just tell Russia to go fuck itself and use coal for power. Instead they bought into Al Gore's retarded doomsday cult.
They have a lot of coal. They could, if they wanted to, just tell Russia to go fuck itself and use coal for power. Instead they bought into Al Gore's retarded doomsday cult.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,866
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
You don't have to believe in global warming to know coal is a nasty business that no one wants in their country's backyard.
You don't have to believe in global warming to know coal is a nasty business that no one wants in their country's backyard.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,903
@1,157,653 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Again: you would have to be abjectly retarded to be a sovereign state, allow yourself to be surrounded by your largest adversary and her allies, and shrug it off because "well, y'know, they say they probably will be nice, despite all the historical evidence to the contrary".
You still haven't given a solid argument for those bases being a threat worth going to war over. NATO really doesn't want to fight Russia, Putin correctly banked on this when he made this move.
You said earlier that you didn't agree with the invasion, but I'm not sure I believe that anymore from your posts ITT. You've laid all of the blame for this on the west, and none on the man who launched the invasion.
> I hardly blame even North Korea for what they're doing.
I think that your sentiment in this post has gone a bit far, when you start sympathising with North Korea.
> Again: you would have to be abjectly retarded to be a sovereign state, allow yourself to be surrounded by your largest adversary and her allies, and shrug it off because "well, y'know, they say they probably will be nice, despite all the historical evidence to the contrary".
You still haven't given a solid argument for those bases being a threat worth going to war over. NATO really doesn't want to fight Russia, Putin correctly banked on this when he made this move.
You said earlier that you didn't agree with the invasion, but I'm not sure I believe that anymore from your posts ITT. You've laid all of the blame for this on the west, and none on the man who launched the invasion.
> I hardly blame even North Korea for what they're doing.
I think that your sentiment in this post has gone a bit far, when you start sympathising with North Korea.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,904
@1,157,740 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)> Witches vs. Patriarchy
My money is on the patriarchy. Historically, the patriarchy has won.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,905
@1,157,903 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> You've laid all of the blame for this on the west, and none on the man who launched the invasion.
It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.
> You've laid all of the blame for this on the west, and none on the man who launched the invasion.
It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,906
@1,157,903 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
I understand Russia's reasoning, and I'm fervently anti-war (in most cases). You don't need to support someone's reasoning in order to understand it.
Russia have done what any country would have done in their situation. About that there is no debate.
A country that would allow themselves to be surrounded by the enemy is not a smart one. It's absolutely no surprise Russia would react now.
I understand Russia's reasoning, and I'm fervently anti-war (in most cases). You don't need to support someone's reasoning in order to understand it.
Russia have done what any country would have done in their situation. About that there is no debate.
A country that would allow themselves to be surrounded by the enemy is not a smart one. It's absolutely no surprise Russia would react now.
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tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,907
I'm very against this invasion, but let's not pretend NATO and the West have done anything but disgrace the idea of 'international law' (lol) since the Cold War.
I hope Russia drown in Ukrainian blood and bullets, but we ignored Russia's every concern. This is the price. No further discussion to be had, really.
I hope Russia drown in Ukrainian blood and bullets, but we ignored Russia's every concern. This is the price. No further discussion to be had, really.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,908
I found this funny, Anonymous has gotten involved. Is it the 2000s again?https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/anonymous-hacking-group-cyber-war/
At first they just did some DDoS attacks, which is pretty nothing. But more recently they grabbed some data from the Russian MoD website. Not sure if that matters much either, though.
It's funny, I'd have thought that the 4chan of today was a lot more favourable towards Russia. But I guess that "Anonymous" and 4chan have diverged since the olden days.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,909
Anyway, the dumbest people are the pro-communist folks who think Russia have inherited the Soviet tradition, and are the workers' vanguard and blah, blah, blah. Russia is a capitalist state and Putin is a reactionary midget. You aren't demonstrating "workers' solidarity" by changing your Twitter profile picture to DPR/LPR, faggot.
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tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,910
@1,157,908 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Yeah it's nothing. It's basically 2010: LOIC and MySQL injections. They didn't even grab plaintext passwords; they're hashed. It's better than nothing, but they need Stuxnet-esque targets before anybody takes them seriously.
Yeah it's nothing. It's basically 2010: LOIC and MySQL injections. They didn't even grab plaintext passwords; they're hashed. It's better than nothing, but they need Stuxnet-esque targets before anybody takes them seriously.
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Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,913
Free Ukraine from the oppressive Russian bastards!
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,915
@1,157,903 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> I think that your sentiment in this post has gone a bit far, when you start sympathising with North Korea.
Understanding != sympathy. This is precisely why America is fucked, and the UK too. Nobody wants to understand: any expression of understanding = 'sympathy' = weakness ("appeasement!"); we have to be aggressive and bellicose! Grr! Yield no ground! Etc.
If we learnt to actually take other countries concerns into account, maybe we'd have Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Libya, Sudan, etc. back in the international fold. Or, we can imagine they're all Bond villains. The world is a lot easier when there's good vs evil (and how convenient we're on the good guys' side).
> I think that your sentiment in this post has gone a bit far, when you start sympathising with North Korea.
Understanding != sympathy. This is precisely why America is fucked, and the UK too. Nobody wants to understand: any expression of understanding = 'sympathy' = weakness ("appeasement!"); we have to be aggressive and bellicose! Grr! Yield no ground! Etc.
If we learnt to actually take other countries concerns into account, maybe we'd have Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Libya, Sudan, etc. back in the international fold. Or, we can imagine they're all Bond villains. The world is a lot easier when there's good vs evil (and how convenient we're on the good guys' side).
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,918
@1,157,906 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Russia have done what any country would have done in their situation. About that there is no debate.
I think there is considerable debate happening about it, actually. Like, there's a lot of interest right now in specifically Putin's mindset being a key factor in this happening.
@1,157,907 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> This is the price. No further discussion to be had, really.
Fine then. Putin is probably going to eat Ukraine but I hope he chokes on it.
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Understanding != sympathy.
Okay, fair enough. I withdraw that comment.
That said, if any country's government was a Bond villain, it probably would be North Korea. One of the weird ones, too, like Oddjob.
> Russia have done what any country would have done in their situation. About that there is no debate.
I think there is considerable debate happening about it, actually. Like, there's a lot of interest right now in specifically Putin's mindset being a key factor in this happening.
@1,157,907 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> This is the price. No further discussion to be had, really.
Fine then. Putin is probably going to eat Ukraine but I hope he chokes on it.
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Understanding != sympathy.
Okay, fair enough. I withdraw that comment.
That said, if any country's government was a Bond villain, it probably would be North Korea. One of the weird ones, too, like Oddjob.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,921
TTEH is doing the thing a lot of far left people do where they blame any fringe global actor like Putin, Tehran, jihadism, Libya, Assad, or Kim and say that they get understand their perspective for being a huge asshole because of either empire or late stage capitalism.
While those things may be bad (if they even exist in the ways far left people claim but that’s another argument) to a degree they never are a valid justification to whatever illegal act is done.
It’s basic elementary school morality: two wrongs do not make a right nor does one person doing wrong give an excuse or a rational for someone else to
While those things may be bad (if they even exist in the ways far left people claim but that’s another argument) to a degree they never are a valid justification to whatever illegal act is done.
It’s basic elementary school morality: two wrongs do not make a right nor does one person doing wrong give an excuse or a rational for someone else to
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,926
@previous (A)
> TTEH is doing the thing a lot of far left people do where they blame any fringe global actor like Putin, Tehran, jihadism, Libya, Assad, or Kim and say that they get understand their perspective for being a huge asshole because of either empire or late stage capitalism.
I can't really parse this. Can you rephrase?
> TTEH is doing the thing a lot of far left people do where they blame any fringe global actor like Putin, Tehran, jihadism, Libya, Assad, or Kim and say that they get understand their perspective for being a huge asshole because of either empire or late stage capitalism.
I can't really parse this. Can you rephrase?
Anonymous Z-10 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,927
@1,157,921 (A)
1. Hurt someone unjustifiably
2. When they raise their fist to fight back tell them "two wrong don't make a right".
3. ???
4. Elementary, Watson!
1. Hurt someone unjustifiably
2. When they raise their fist to fight back tell them "two wrong don't make a right".
3. ???
4. Elementary, Watson!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,930
@1,157,926 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
@previous (Z-10)
I’ll rephrase since I don’t think either of you got my point
People with fringe political views esp those on the far left tend to weakly place blame almost sympathetically on bad geopolitical actors like Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, or Russia.
They’ll say “well it’s bad to kill people but look at why they did it!!!” and pivot to talking about western imperialism or excess capitalism rather than placing the blame squarely on the actor who deserves it
As Father Merrin (and now TTEH) frequently do is harp on issues that are tangential and ignore reasons given by the actual bad actor themself!
For example Putin claims Ukraine is committing genocide and possesses “psychological/spiritual WMDs” but wholly ignore this and would rather discuss NATO expansion as if Putin’s reasoning is rational
Ultimately rabid anti interventionist will always steer the conversation toward empire and try and claim that the USA or West is the cause of nearly every problem on the world stage
As I said in my prior post they use reasoning akin to a schoolchild who blames the other kid for cutting them in the lunch line as an excuse for beating them up
@previous (Z-10)
I’ll rephrase since I don’t think either of you got my point
People with fringe political views esp those on the far left tend to weakly place blame almost sympathetically on bad geopolitical actors like Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, or Russia.
They’ll say “well it’s bad to kill people but look at why they did it!!!” and pivot to talking about western imperialism or excess capitalism rather than placing the blame squarely on the actor who deserves it
As Father Merrin (and now TTEH) frequently do is harp on issues that are tangential and ignore reasons given by the actual bad actor themself!
For example Putin claims Ukraine is committing genocide and possesses “psychological/spiritual WMDs” but wholly ignore this and would rather discuss NATO expansion as if Putin’s reasoning is rational
Ultimately rabid anti interventionist will always steer the conversation toward empire and try and claim that the USA or West is the cause of nearly every problem on the world stage
As I said in my prior post they use reasoning akin to a schoolchild who blames the other kid for cutting them in the lunch line as an excuse for beating them up
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,932
@previous (A)
Thanks, I get you.
I don't know, I'm not anti-war at all. I wish we'd kept backing the Kurds; Trump's most egregious mistake was leaving the Kurds to be slaughtered by our ostensible allies in Ankara. I wish we'd stuck up for Rojava to the extent Syria was a federalised system by now. I'm not that lefty.
But there's a gulf of difference between understanding and approving. We can write off Russia and other Axis Of Evil™ states as evil countries headed by madmen and refuse to interact, or we could... you know... try to meaningfully engage.
Thanks, I get you.
I don't know, I'm not anti-war at all. I wish we'd kept backing the Kurds; Trump's most egregious mistake was leaving the Kurds to be slaughtered by our ostensible allies in Ankara. I wish we'd stuck up for Rojava to the extent Syria was a federalised system by now. I'm not that lefty.
But there's a gulf of difference between understanding and approving. We can write off Russia and other Axis Of Evil™ states as evil countries headed by madmen and refuse to interact, or we could... you know... try to meaningfully engage.
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Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,935
Ah, THERE'S the Tory government I know so well...
https://twitter.com/ColinYeo1/status/1497322354044817409
"Ukrainians, we stand with you! But fuck any Ukrainian refugees who try to come here via literally the only means they have to come here".
While I'm here, once more guys, here's the link to send money to help Ukrainians, for those of you who have not already done so:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/24/us/iyw-how-to-help-ukraine/index.html
https://twitter.com/ColinYeo1/status/1497322354044817409
"Ukrainians, we stand with you! But fuck any Ukrainian refugees who try to come here via literally the only means they have to come here".
While I'm here, once more guys, here's the link to send money to help Ukrainians, for those of you who have not already done so:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/24/us/iyw-how-to-help-ukraine/index.html
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,936
@1,157,813 (T)
> @Dave: What do you make of the justifications Putin gave in his speech? Specifically the accusations of Naziism, and genocide in the Donbas region? Is there any truth to this?
I haven't forgotten about this by the way but I'll have to get to it tomorrow because today has been a total whirlwind.
> @Dave: What do you make of the justifications Putin gave in his speech? Specifically the accusations of Naziism, and genocide in the Donbas region? Is there any truth to this?
I haven't forgotten about this by the way but I'll have to get to it tomorrow because today has been a total whirlwind.
(Edited 4 minutes later.)
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 24 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,941
@1,157,678 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Thank you for these posts. Sorry I'm replying so late but I have had a hectic end of the work week (plus I'm following the war constantly on twitter). These points all make sense to me, thank you for sharing the Russian government's (or at least Putin's personal) view on the matter. The reason I was so surprised by this goes to your earlier point about Putin's risk averse nature. I know he is a man who deliberates very carefully before making consequential decisions, but I just cannot see how this war achieves his ends in the long term, even if the timing is good.
I suppose the most optimistic scenario makes some amount of sense to me. Russia goes in, and controls all major population centers and almost all territory within a week. They kill Zelensky and other government officials and replace them with hand-selected Putin allies, and then rebuild the Ukrainian state in a way that is most favorable to Russia. Through competent, non-corrupt government administration and provision of services, you win back enough of the support that you lost in the war that the population shrugs and moves on. You then have an 800 mile buffer between Russian territory and NATO countries. And that all strategically is sound. I just think there is tremendous downside risk to this play. In the worst case, your invasion stumbles, you get stuck with an Iraq or Syria-type situation where a sizeable percentage of the population engages in irregular resistance campaigns with an endless supply of weapons and funding funneled in from Western powers, and the people you pick to run the country do a shitty job and engender no goodwill to you. Probably neither of those things will happen and the outcome will be somewhere in the middle, which I honestly cannot say is better for Russia than the status quo of a Ukraine slowly drifting away from Russia.
And this does absolutely nothing to deal with the long-term issues of Russia being a fossil fuel-based economy in a world pivoting to renewables, with 30 straight years of more deaths than births whose best path forward is being a junior member of an alliance with China and whatever unaligned countries they can buy influence with. I hope that doesn't come off as like smug western liberalism but it probably does. I genuinely want the Russian people to have a peaceful, free and prosperous country, and to live to see an end to war. I just don't see this as doing anything to bring that about and is costing blood and treasure that could be used to help people instead.
Not that the West spends its time uniformly helping people! Ask Patrice Lumumba or Sukarno or Thomas Sankara or Mohammed Mossadegh or Qaddafi or any number of other leaders what they think of Western generosity. It just seems like the current Russian mindset at play here is a dead end ideologically and strategically. I'm something of an idealist though I guess, I dunno. The Western ideal (read: never happening) scenario is a world of peace and comity between nations and the Russian one is like..."By killing a couple thousand people in countries that border us and conquering them, we can forestall a precipitous decline for another 10 years". There's no brighter future to plan for. At least the Soviet Union rhetorically wanted to bring about a utopian worker's paradise and had kickass propaganda (plus a couple of gulags and purges thrown in along the way for good measure). This is just...nothing.
Thank you for these posts. Sorry I'm replying so late but I have had a hectic end of the work week (plus I'm following the war constantly on twitter). These points all make sense to me, thank you for sharing the Russian government's (or at least Putin's personal) view on the matter. The reason I was so surprised by this goes to your earlier point about Putin's risk averse nature. I know he is a man who deliberates very carefully before making consequential decisions, but I just cannot see how this war achieves his ends in the long term, even if the timing is good.
I suppose the most optimistic scenario makes some amount of sense to me. Russia goes in, and controls all major population centers and almost all territory within a week. They kill Zelensky and other government officials and replace them with hand-selected Putin allies, and then rebuild the Ukrainian state in a way that is most favorable to Russia. Through competent, non-corrupt government administration and provision of services, you win back enough of the support that you lost in the war that the population shrugs and moves on. You then have an 800 mile buffer between Russian territory and NATO countries. And that all strategically is sound. I just think there is tremendous downside risk to this play. In the worst case, your invasion stumbles, you get stuck with an Iraq or Syria-type situation where a sizeable percentage of the population engages in irregular resistance campaigns with an endless supply of weapons and funding funneled in from Western powers, and the people you pick to run the country do a shitty job and engender no goodwill to you. Probably neither of those things will happen and the outcome will be somewhere in the middle, which I honestly cannot say is better for Russia than the status quo of a Ukraine slowly drifting away from Russia.
And this does absolutely nothing to deal with the long-term issues of Russia being a fossil fuel-based economy in a world pivoting to renewables, with 30 straight years of more deaths than births whose best path forward is being a junior member of an alliance with China and whatever unaligned countries they can buy influence with. I hope that doesn't come off as like smug western liberalism but it probably does. I genuinely want the Russian people to have a peaceful, free and prosperous country, and to live to see an end to war. I just don't see this as doing anything to bring that about and is costing blood and treasure that could be used to help people instead.
Not that the West spends its time uniformly helping people! Ask Patrice Lumumba or Sukarno or Thomas Sankara or Mohammed Mossadegh or Qaddafi or any number of other leaders what they think of Western generosity. It just seems like the current Russian mindset at play here is a dead end ideologically and strategically. I'm something of an idealist though I guess, I dunno. The Western ideal (read: never happening) scenario is a world of peace and comity between nations and the Russian one is like..."By killing a couple thousand people in countries that border us and conquering them, we can forestall a precipitous decline for another 10 years". There's no brighter future to plan for. At least the Soviet Union rhetorically wanted to bring about a utopian worker's paradise and had kickass propaganda (plus a couple of gulags and purges thrown in along the way for good measure). This is just...nothing.
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Anonymous Z-11 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,157,975
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Not Until The Lamestream Media Is Ready.
Joe Bidin is the most protected fool ever to get inserted into the White House. More than even 0bama. The media won't even more than mention for a few seconds the criminality connected to joe and his junky son Hunter. CNN has literally fallen on it's sword to protect these pissants. I very strongly suspect that it's because of the Fraud that the lamestream media help pull off that got biden into the White house to push their agenda in the first place.
Not Until The Lamestream Media Is Ready.
Joe Bidin is the most protected fool ever to get inserted into the White House. More than even 0bama. The media won't even more than mention for a few seconds the criminality connected to joe and his junky son Hunter. CNN has literally fallen on it's sword to protect these pissants. I very strongly suspect that it's because of the Fraud that the lamestream media help pull off that got biden into the White house to push their agenda in the first place.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,023
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,024
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Russia have been building a fierce army, we've been building gender neutral toilets and worrying about pronouns.
Russia have been building a fierce army, we've been building gender neutral toilets and worrying about pronouns.
blom replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,029
@1,157,941 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I think he might be sick, and taking a chance before the end to realize his plans.
I think he might be sick, and taking a chance before the end to realize his plans.
Anonymous Z-11 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,038
@1,158,023 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Actions speak louder than words or offhand remarks and President Trump not only faced down Putin,the Chinese Communist and North Korea on trade, Nuclear testing and expansion but also sanctioned away the Nord Stream pipeline which was a major source of Russia's revenue. The Revenue Putin needed to finance Russian aggression in Ukraine.
Clueless joe biden removed the sanctions, while shutting down the The Keystone XL pipeline extension and the cancelling the leases on domestic exploration of oil and natural gas which President Trump put in place that made the U.S. Energy independent for the first time in over 50 years. Now Biden is buying oil from the Russians and begging OPEC to produce more for us to purchase.
So tell me how Being a competitor with Russia on the global energy market (as we were under President Trump) was in any way not a problem for Putin as opposed being a consumer of Russian oil as were ARE under clueless biden and his democRATS?
All you have is the spin on One remark made by President Trump.
Trump supplied Ukraine with Stingers and Javelin missiles Designed to Take Out Russian Aircraft and Tanks, With "friend's" like President Trump, Putin doesn't need any enemies.
Actions speak louder than words or offhand remarks and President Trump not only faced down Putin,the Chinese Communist and North Korea on trade, Nuclear testing and expansion but also sanctioned away the Nord Stream pipeline which was a major source of Russia's revenue. The Revenue Putin needed to finance Russian aggression in Ukraine.
Clueless joe biden removed the sanctions, while shutting down the The Keystone XL pipeline extension and the cancelling the leases on domestic exploration of oil and natural gas which President Trump put in place that made the U.S. Energy independent for the first time in over 50 years. Now Biden is buying oil from the Russians and begging OPEC to produce more for us to purchase.
So tell me how Being a competitor with Russia on the global energy market (as we were under President Trump) was in any way not a problem for Putin as opposed being a consumer of Russian oil as were ARE under clueless biden and his democRATS?
All you have is the spin on One remark made by President Trump.
Trump supplied Ukraine with Stingers and Javelin missiles Designed to Take Out Russian Aircraft and Tanks, With "friend's" like President Trump, Putin doesn't need any enemies.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,040
SWIFT time: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/26/swift-eu-leaders-line-up-to-back-banning-russia-from-banking-network
Now that Cyprus, Italy and Hungary are on board, it would appear it's unanimous.
No love from Orban:
> Speaking during a visit to the Ukrainian-Hungarian border, the prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said: “Hungary made clear that we support all the sanctions, so we will block nothing, so what the prime ministers of the European Union are able to agree, we accept it and we support it.” He added: “This is the time to be united, it’s a war.”
Now that Cyprus, Italy and Hungary are on board, it would appear it's unanimous.
No love from Orban:
> Speaking during a visit to the Ukrainian-Hungarian border, the prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said: “Hungary made clear that we support all the sanctions, so we will block nothing, so what the prime ministers of the European Union are able to agree, we accept it and we support it.” He added: “This is the time to be united, it’s a war.”
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,054
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> SWIFT time: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/26/swift-eu-leaders-line-up-to-back-banning-russia-from-banking-network
>
> Now that Cyprus, Italy and Hungary are on board, it would appear it's unanimous.
>
> No love from Orban:
>
> >Speaking during a visit to the Ukrainian-Hungarian border, the prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said: “Hungary made clear that we support all the sanctions, so we will block nothing, so what the prime ministers of the European Union are able to agree, we accept it and we support it.” He added: “This is the time to be united, it’s a war.”
I still can't see it happening. It's Biden himself who is most reluctant to do it (aside from Germany), and IF it happens it'll be the nuclear option; a final resort due to Putin doing something insane like levelling the entire country. Once you remove Russia from Swift there's really no more leverage over Putin left and he has no reason not to take the world down with him. You said it yourself earlier in the thread, the last thing anyone wants to do is back this mad cunt into a corner and leave him with nothing left to lose. He appears to be doing some extremely odd things right now (I'll go into this more when I finally get around to replying to Anon T's post about Putin's rationale and justification for doing this) and it doesn't seem like the guy has any intention of stopping until he gets whatever the fuck it is he hopes to get.
> SWIFT time: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/26/swift-eu-leaders-line-up-to-back-banning-russia-from-banking-network
>
> Now that Cyprus, Italy and Hungary are on board, it would appear it's unanimous.
>
> No love from Orban:
>
> >Speaking during a visit to the Ukrainian-Hungarian border, the prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said: “Hungary made clear that we support all the sanctions, so we will block nothing, so what the prime ministers of the European Union are able to agree, we accept it and we support it.” He added: “This is the time to be united, it’s a war.”
I still can't see it happening. It's Biden himself who is most reluctant to do it (aside from Germany), and IF it happens it'll be the nuclear option; a final resort due to Putin doing something insane like levelling the entire country. Once you remove Russia from Swift there's really no more leverage over Putin left and he has no reason not to take the world down with him. You said it yourself earlier in the thread, the last thing anyone wants to do is back this mad cunt into a corner and leave him with nothing left to lose. He appears to be doing some extremely odd things right now (I'll go into this more when I finally get around to replying to Anon T's post about Putin's rationale and justification for doing this) and it doesn't seem like the guy has any intention of stopping until he gets whatever the fuck it is he hopes to get.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,057
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> Once you remove Russia from Swift there's really no more leverage over Putin left
lolno
> Once you remove Russia from Swift there's really no more leverage over Putin left
lolno
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 49 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,058
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 23 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,068
@1,158,054 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
It does seem like the nuclear option. I'm honestly shocked at how quickly the idea has achieved support.
It looks like Biden is the only one holding it up now. I wonder what sort of pressure he's under and from what directions.
It does seem like the nuclear option. I'm honestly shocked at how quickly the idea has achieved support.
It looks like Biden is the only one holding it up now. I wonder what sort of pressure he's under and from what directions.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 20 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,072
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I don't know anything about SWIFT but is the ban reversible? If it is then it's not quite a nuclear option. It would just become part of the ceasefire/peace negotiaions.
I don't know anything about SWIFT but is the ban reversible? If it is then it's not quite a nuclear option. It would just become part of the ceasefire/peace negotiaions.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,074
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,085
@1,158,072 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
It would be reversible. I'm not super knowledgeable, but as I understand it the ban will be challenging technically to implement - I don't know if that applies similarly to reversing the ban. I don't believe it's anything like an 'on-off switch' type of situation.
I'm not sure if the process will be the same as was applied to Iran when their banks (or most of them) were blocked from using SWIFT, because that seemed to be implemented relatively swiftly (badum tsh).
It would be reversible. I'm not super knowledgeable, but as I understand it the ban will be challenging technically to implement - I don't know if that applies similarly to reversing the ban. I don't believe it's anything like an 'on-off switch' type of situation.
I'm not sure if the process will be the same as was applied to Iran when their banks (or most of them) were blocked from using SWIFT, because that seemed to be implemented relatively swiftly (badum tsh).
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Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,087
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I work in IT in one of the top 5 international banks. It absolutely is like an on-off switch.
I work in IT in one of the top 5 international banks. It absolutely is like an on-off switch.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,088
@1,158,074 (Z-1)
Call your mother.
@1,158,085 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Ebic. Yeah we are sort of veering into uncharted waters here. I'm not sure a country has ever gone from a member of the global community to...the current level of actual and proposed sanctions in 3 days. This is nuts.
Call your mother.
@1,158,085 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Ebic. Yeah we are sort of veering into uncharted waters here. I'm not sure a country has ever gone from a member of the global community to...the current level of actual and proposed sanctions in 3 days. This is nuts.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,089
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,090
@1,158,087 (Z-1)
Pft, done. Germany don't know what they're talking about when they say this will be hard!
if (in_array($bank, $russianBanks)) {
die("lol no money for you");
}Pft, done. Germany don't know what they're talking about when they say this will be hard!
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,091
@1,158,088 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> I'm not sure a country has ever gone from a member of the global community to...the current level of actual and proposed sanctions in 3 days. This is nuts.
We haven't had this type of invasion in nearly one hundred years. Everything else has either been proxy wars or invasions outside the developed world.
> I'm not sure a country has ever gone from a member of the global community to...the current level of actual and proposed sanctions in 3 days. This is nuts.
We haven't had this type of invasion in nearly one hundred years. Everything else has either been proxy wars or invasions outside the developed world.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,092
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,093
@1,158,087 (Z-1)
> I work in IT in one of the top 5 international banks.
Ahhh the "I work in IT" line!
> It absolutely is like an on-off switch.
Removing a country like Russia from SWIFT will be an unfathomably complex process.
> I work in IT in one of the top 5 international banks.
Ahhh the "I work in IT" line!
> It absolutely is like an on-off switch.
Removing a country like Russia from SWIFT will be an unfathomably complex process.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Anonymous Z-12 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,095
Is it ok to just be like, "fuck it, I don't know anything about this situation and can't even begin to understand the complicated dynamics in play and the overwhelming history involved"??
Because this shit is driving me mad. I care about it but there's just too much information to take in considering I know 0 about European history from the start.
Maybe I'll give up and stick to just taking in the headlines because I've had to look up 50 different things just to understand this thread alone
I mean I don't even understand why cutting them out of SWIFT will hurt if (per the NYT) they can still do bank to bank transactions??
Because this shit is driving me mad. I care about it but there's just too much information to take in considering I know 0 about European history from the start.
Maybe I'll give up and stick to just taking in the headlines because I've had to look up 50 different things just to understand this thread alone
I mean I don't even understand why cutting them out of SWIFT will hurt if (per the NYT) they can still do bank to bank transactions??
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,096
@previous (Z-12)
It's okay. Just hit the snooze button and check back a few years later when there will be books and movies about it. No doubt World War 2 was confusing as fuck in 1938 but later you could just read a book explaining what happened, and why from several different angles/biases.
You can't influence these events anyway.
It's okay. Just hit the snooze button and check back a few years later when there will be books and movies about it. No doubt World War 2 was confusing as fuck in 1938 but later you could just read a book explaining what happened, and why from several different angles/biases.
You can't influence these events anyway.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,097
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Dave could. He said his boss's boss's boss is on handshaking terms with Putin, or something. Maybe he could get access to Putin and off him for laughs. That would influence events a lot.
Dave could. He said his boss's boss's boss is on handshaking terms with Putin, or something. Maybe he could get access to Putin and off him for laughs. That would influence events a lot.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,100
@1,158,090 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
>
>
> Pft, done. Germany don't know what they're talking about when they say this will be hard!
...
> believing everything you see in the news
Germany knows their economy will be fucked if they try to pull this.
Remember a few years back, I can't remember the exact context, but it doesn't matter, where major websites were claiming they couldn't block IPs from certain countries? As if geolocation wasn't a thing lol. Yeah, well, same thing is happening again.
>
> if (in_array($bank, $russianBanks)) {
> die("lol no money for you");
> }
> >
> Pft, done. Germany don't know what they're talking about when they say this will be hard!
...
> believing everything you see in the news
Germany knows their economy will be fucked if they try to pull this.
Remember a few years back, I can't remember the exact context, but it doesn't matter, where major websites were claiming they couldn't block IPs from certain countries? As if geolocation wasn't a thing lol. Yeah, well, same thing is happening again.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,101
@1,158,097 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Do you think we can get Putin to make a post here? It could be just the thing we need to go global!
Do you think we can get Putin to make a post here? It could be just the thing we need to go global!
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 47 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,102
@1,158,093 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> > I work in IT in one of the top 5 international banks.
>
> Ahhh the "I work in IT" line!
>
> > It absolutely is like an on-off switch.
>
> Removing a country like Russia from SWIFT will be an unfathomably complex process.
lol you're full of shit, as if this thread wasn't enough
> > I work in IT in one of the top 5 international banks.
>
> Ahhh the "I work in IT" line!
>
> > It absolutely is like an on-off switch.
>
> Removing a country like Russia from SWIFT will be an unfathomably complex process.
lol you're full of shit, as if this thread wasn't enough
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,105
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-26/u-s-weighs-sanctions-on-russia-s-central-bank-over-ukraine?srnd=premium
Looks like a SWIFT ban has been decided on and will be announced/maybe in effect tomorrow. Jesus.
Looks like a SWIFT ban has been decided on and will be announced/maybe in effect tomorrow. Jesus.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 46 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,106
@1,158,095 (Z-12)
> Is it ok to just be like, "fuck it, I don't know anything about this situation and can't even begin to understand the complicated dynamics in play and the overwhelming history involved"??
>
> Because this shit is driving me mad. I care about it but there's just too much information to take in considering I know 0 about European history from the start.
lmao you think anyone in this thread knows jack shit about the politics or economics involved here? knowledge of this situation is inversely proportional to participation ITT. pretty much like every online discussion
> Is it ok to just be like, "fuck it, I don't know anything about this situation and can't even begin to understand the complicated dynamics in play and the overwhelming history involved"??
>
> Because this shit is driving me mad. I care about it but there's just too much information to take in considering I know 0 about European history from the start.
lmao you think anyone in this thread knows jack shit about the politics or economics involved here? knowledge of this situation is inversely proportional to participation ITT. pretty much like every online discussion
Anonymous Z-1 double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 23 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,107
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,108
@1,158,101 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Woah, imagine the publicity that would get us! Forget assassinating him, Dave should get him to post here! This forum would become an overnight success.
Perhaps we could offer him a chance to refute your post @1,157,941 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU) to help with his propaganda campaign? That seems like a good deal.
Woah, imagine the publicity that would get us! Forget assassinating him, Dave should get him to post here! This forum would become an overnight success.
Perhaps we could offer him a chance to refute your post @1,157,941 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU) to help with his propaganda campaign? That seems like a good deal.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 23 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,109
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,111
@1,158,108 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
For the record, if Vlad is willing to pay me $250,000/yr (in USD) I will shill for him part time on this forum. This offer will not last forever so if he's smart he'll take it now.
For the record, if Vlad is willing to pay me $250,000/yr (in USD) I will shill for him part time on this forum. This offer will not last forever so if he's smart he'll take it now.
Anonymous Z-13 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,112
@1,158,087 (Z-1)
Are you that guy who swings by claiming to have expert knowledge and experience all the time?
Like with taking coins or whatever out of Italy?
it's a weird schtick dude
Are you that guy who swings by claiming to have expert knowledge and experience all the time?
Like with taking coins or whatever out of Italy?
it's a weird schtick dude
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,113
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,114
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,117
@1,158,089 (Z-1)
Rude and hurtful
@1,158,091 (Z-1)
That's true. I wonder if part of this is also a shot across the bow at China re: Taiwan. Not that they'd be able to do nearly the same amount of sanctioning to China, but making the costs for direct territorial conquest this high might change their calculus.
Rude and hurtful
@1,158,091 (Z-1)
That's true. I wonder if part of this is also a shot across the bow at China re: Taiwan. Not that they'd be able to do nearly the same amount of sanctioning to China, but making the costs for direct territorial conquest this high might change their calculus.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,118
@1,158,113 (Z-1)
> I've never been to Italy.
He never said you had. He asked if you're the retard who pretends he has been to Italy.
> I've never been to Italy.
He never said you had. He asked if you're the retard who pretends he has been to Italy.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,122
@1,158,107 (Z-1)
> What a surprise lol. It wasn't hard after all.
The decision is not hard. The process will be. You said it's like "flicking a switch" (no it isn't Mr "I work in IT and so I know all about SWIFT"). Ok, let's see how much time elapses between the announcement of the decision and the flicking of the switch.
> What a surprise lol. It wasn't hard after all.
The decision is not hard. The process will be. You said it's like "flicking a switch" (no it isn't Mr "I work in IT and so I know all about SWIFT"). Ok, let's see how much time elapses between the announcement of the decision and the flicking of the switch.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,123
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> Ok, let's see how much time elapses between the announcement of the decision and the flicking of the switch.
Because there's no possibility that there could be other reasons, other motivations, for stalling, amirite?
> Ok, let's see how much time elapses between the announcement of the decision and the flicking of the switch.
Because there's no possibility that there could be other reasons, other motivations, for stalling, amirite?
Anonymous Z-1 double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,124
@1,158,117 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> I wonder if part of this is also a shot across the bow at China re: Taiwan. Not that they'd be able to do nearly the same amount of sanctioning to China, but making the costs for direct territorial conquest this high might change their calculus.
I wish people gave more of a shit Re: Hong Kong.
> I wonder if part of this is also a shot across the bow at China re: Taiwan. Not that they'd be able to do nearly the same amount of sanctioning to China, but making the costs for direct territorial conquest this high might change their calculus.
I wish people gave more of a shit Re: Hong Kong.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,125
BBC: BREAKING: West to cut some Russian banks off from Swift
Video: European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen's speech
The EU, US and their allies have agreed to cut off a number of Russian banks from the main international payment system, Swift.
"This is intended to cut off these institutions from international financial flows, which will massively restrict their global operations," a German government spokesman said.
Russia is heavily reliant on the Swift system for its oil and gas exports.
But the move could also harm Western businesses doing business with Russia.
Swift, or the "Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication", is a secure messaging system that makes fast, cross-border payments possible, enabling international trade.
The banks set to be affected are "all those already sanctioned by the international community, as well as other institutions, if necessary", the German spokesman said.
Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, said the allies would stop Russia from "using its war chest," by paralysing the assets of its central bank. They also agreed to freezing its transactions and prevent the central bank from liquidating its assets.
She added there would be a crackdown on so-called "golden passports" that "let wealthy Russians connected to the Russian government become citizens of our countries and gain access to our financial systems".
The measures were agreed by the US, UK, Europe and Canada.
It is the latest round of sanctions to hit Russia since it launched an invasion of Ukraine this week.
"This is intended to cut off these institutions from international financial flows, which will massively restrict their global operations," a German government spokesman said.
Russia is heavily reliant on the Swift system for its oil and gas exports.
But the move could also harm Western businesses doing business with Russia.
Swift, or the "Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication", is a secure messaging system that makes fast, cross-border payments possible, enabling international trade.
The banks set to be affected are "all those already sanctioned by the international community, as well as other institutions, if necessary", the German spokesman said.
Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, said the allies would stop Russia from "using its war chest," by paralysing the assets of its central bank. They also agreed to freezing its transactions and prevent the central bank from liquidating its assets.
She added there would be a crackdown on so-called "golden passports" that "let wealthy Russians connected to the Russian government become citizens of our countries and gain access to our financial systems".
The measures were agreed by the US, UK, Europe and Canada.
It is the latest round of sanctions to hit Russia since it launched an invasion of Ukraine this week.
Video: European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen's speech
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Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,127
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
So yet again it's all fart and no shite. They're cutting the banks that have already been sanctioned which (I don't remember if I mentioned this in my posts to Fake Anon) were specifically designed for the expectation of sanctions (2 of the banks I'd never even heard of and the rest were Crimean banks). That's not to say they won't go further if Putin starts ironing out hospitals (the article you've quoted suggests they are keeping that possibility open, as they must)...but these are, relative to the scudding Putin deserves right now, piss-weak measures. Yet again the West is showing its "unwavering solidarity with Ukraine" by first and foremost looking after their own economies. But hey, we've all got your flag on our Facebook pages guys! You're warriors, go give those Russkies a heroic kicking while we cheer you on on Twitter!
So yet again it's all fart and no shite. They're cutting the banks that have already been sanctioned which (I don't remember if I mentioned this in my posts to Fake Anon) were specifically designed for the expectation of sanctions (2 of the banks I'd never even heard of and the rest were Crimean banks). That's not to say they won't go further if Putin starts ironing out hospitals (the article you've quoted suggests they are keeping that possibility open, as they must)...but these are, relative to the scudding Putin deserves right now, piss-weak measures. Yet again the West is showing its "unwavering solidarity with Ukraine" by first and foremost looking after their own economies. But hey, we've all got your flag on our Facebook pages guys! You're warriors, go give those Russkies a heroic kicking while we cheer you on on Twitter!
(Edited 8 minutes later.)
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,128
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 27 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,129
Geopolitical events was what I was looking for.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,131
So has Kiev fallen yet?
Anonymous T replied with this 2.2 years ago, 29 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,132
@1,158,087 (Z-1)
> I work in IT in one of the top 5 international banks. It absolutely is like an on-off switch.
Lolno it isn't! (source: somebody who actually does work in fintech).
> I work in IT in one of the top 5 international banks. It absolutely is like an on-off switch.
Lolno it isn't! (source: somebody who actually does work in fintech).
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,133
@1,158,127 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
This is probably as far as Germany would go. Cutting off SWIFT in a way that doesn't impact their gas payments is fine, but that's as much as they'll do. Turns out basing an enormous portion of your energy needs on Russia while simultaneously working to exert leverage over Russia is a difficult proposition.
This is probably as far as Germany would go. Cutting off SWIFT in a way that doesn't impact their gas payments is fine, but that's as much as they'll do. Turns out basing an enormous portion of your energy needs on Russia while simultaneously working to exert leverage over Russia is a difficult proposition.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,134
@1,158,131 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> So has Kiev fallen yet?
It's proving to be a stubborn little cunt but give us time.
(I'm joking, I regret there isn't a hell for Putin to go to for this)
> So has Kiev fallen yet?
It's proving to be a stubborn little cunt but give us time.
(I'm joking, I regret there isn't a hell for Putin to go to for this)
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,135
@1,158,132 (T)
lol working as a teller at a regional bank isn't "fintech". I wouldn't expect someone in the little leagues to understand the actual rules of the game.
lol working as a teller at a regional bank isn't "fintech". I wouldn't expect someone in the little leagues to understand the actual rules of the game.
Anonymous Z-1 double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 31 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,136
@1,158,134 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> (I'm joking, I regret there isn't a hell for Putin to go to for this)
No you don't.
> (I'm joking, I regret there isn't a hell for Putin to go to for this)
No you don't.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,143
@1,158,134 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> (I'm joking, I regret there isn't a hell for Putin to go to for this)
Do you think he bit off a bit more than he can chew this time?
> (I'm joking, I regret there isn't a hell for Putin to go to for this)
Do you think he bit off a bit more than he can chew this time?
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,145
@1,158,127 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> It's not to say they won't go further if Putin starts ironing out hospitals (the article you've quoted suggests they are keeping that possibility open, as they must)...but these are, relative to the scudding Putin deserves right now, piss-weak measures.
Agreed. I do have to wonder whether they're intentionally holding back in an effort to keep some cards on the table; obviously I'm sure the main motivation is to minimise the harm to their own economies, but perhaps it's wise not to go all-in immediately. Keep onto some leverage? Idk.
> It's not to say they won't go further if Putin starts ironing out hospitals (the article you've quoted suggests they are keeping that possibility open, as they must)...but these are, relative to the scudding Putin deserves right now, piss-weak measures.
Agreed. I do have to wonder whether they're intentionally holding back in an effort to keep some cards on the table; obviously I'm sure the main motivation is to minimise the harm to their own economies, but perhaps it's wise not to go all-in immediately. Keep onto some leverage? Idk.
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,146
@1,158,143 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
They do seem to be mounting one hell of a defence. "We might not win, but we can drown them in our blood" was a hell of a quote to hear on the BBC.
They do seem to be mounting one hell of a defence. "We might not win, but we can drown them in our blood" was a hell of a quote to hear on the BBC.
tteh !MemesToDNA triple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,147
I'm loving the videos of babushkas charging in and berating the soldiers, most of whom look like they're barely 18 and just want to go home.
Anonymous Z-14 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,148
Anonymous Z-14 double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 32 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,149
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,150
@1,158,145 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I don't get where this meme that "all we can do is shut them out of the banking system" comes from lol. Ukraine could be flooded in an endless sea of armaments and virtually every country on earth could be strong-armed into imposing sanctions.
Everyone is pretending like the cold war never happened. There's about 50 years of lessons to be learned about fighting a war without ever firing a shot.
I don't get where this meme that "all we can do is shut them out of the banking system" comes from lol. Ukraine could be flooded in an endless sea of armaments and virtually every country on earth could be strong-armed into imposing sanctions.
Everyone is pretending like the cold war never happened. There's about 50 years of lessons to be learned about fighting a war without ever firing a shot.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,153
@previous (Z-1)
I really would like to think we've collectively learnt our lesson when it comes to flooding countries with armaments. Doesn't there come a point where that just imposes more direct suffering on the innocent civilians who, as in every major conflict, suffer the most?
Also: being realistic, Ukraine doesn't matter that much, right? We can all talk about the importance of respecting sovereignty, etc. etc. etc., but the average person (and the governments whom they elect) aren't really that invested. Interest in the conflict will wane and we'll all have forgotten about it and moved onto the next thing. Remember when Aleppo was the hot topic? Obama's red lines?
I've even seen people suggesting we send troops! I wonder how many of the people promoting that idea would go there themselves (Zelenskyy's already asked for volunteers)?
I really would like to think we've collectively learnt our lesson when it comes to flooding countries with armaments. Doesn't there come a point where that just imposes more direct suffering on the innocent civilians who, as in every major conflict, suffer the most?
Also: being realistic, Ukraine doesn't matter that much, right? We can all talk about the importance of respecting sovereignty, etc. etc. etc., but the average person (and the governments whom they elect) aren't really that invested. Interest in the conflict will wane and we'll all have forgotten about it and moved onto the next thing. Remember when Aleppo was the hot topic? Obama's red lines?
I've even seen people suggesting we send troops! I wonder how many of the people promoting that idea would go there themselves (Zelenskyy's already asked for volunteers)?
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 20 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,154
@1,158,149 (Z-14)
> They have leverage already. Nuclear leverage.
Yes nuclear war is what we need right now.
> They have leverage already. Nuclear leverage.
Yes nuclear war is what we need right now.
Anonymous T replied with this 2.2 years ago, 34 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,155
@1,158,135 (Z-1)
LOL. Literally your picture of what SWIFT is: An IT guy is sitting at a computer, running Windows XP, with a giant crappy CRT monitor. On the screen is a dashboard with various participant countries in big green letters, (including RUSSIA) each with a toggle button next to the label. The top IT guy (at 5th top megabank) gets a call from Christian Lindner: "Ya? Hans? It's me Chris. Plz turn off SWIFT.Russia. Danke schön!". The IT guy grimly moves his mouse pointer to the button next to RUSSIA and clicks it firmly. RUSSIA changes from green to red.
LOL. Literally your picture of what SWIFT is: An IT guy is sitting at a computer, running Windows XP, with a giant crappy CRT monitor. On the screen is a dashboard with various participant countries in big green letters, (including RUSSIA) each with a toggle button next to the label. The top IT guy (at 5th top megabank) gets a call from Christian Lindner: "Ya? Hans? It's me Chris. Plz turn off SWIFT.Russia. Danke schön!". The IT guy grimly moves his mouse pointer to the button next to RUSSIA and clicks it firmly. RUSSIA changes from green to red.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 54 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,157
@previous (T)
> guy is sitting at a computer, running Windows XP, with a giant crappy CRT monitor
Please don't trigger my PTSD.
> guy is sitting at a computer, running Windows XP, with a giant crappy CRT monitor
Please don't trigger my PTSD.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 21 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,158
@1,158,146 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
It's surprising to me. My model of Slavic countries was they are strongman kleptocracies with oppressed, impoverished citizenry. So I figured most Ukrainians would just shrug. Replace one set of oligarchs with another. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.
It's surprising to me. My model of Slavic countries was they are strongman kleptocracies with oppressed, impoverished citizenry. So I figured most Ukrainians would just shrug. Replace one set of oligarchs with another. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,159
@1,158,143 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Genuinely have no idea. Everything he did up to Wednesday made sense, it was predictable, and everyone knew it was going to happen (I'm talking about the, *ahem*, "peacekeeping mission" in Donbas, for which Biden basically gave him a pass). Everything he's done SINCE then makes precisely zero sense, it is NOT what anybody here (I'm in St Petersburg Russia) wants or supports, we have NO fucking idea what the end game is supposed to be (we're gonna occupy a country of nearly 50 million people, the vast majority of whom want nothing to do with Russia, for the rest of human history? Did Russia learn nothing from Afghanistan?), and ANY (fuck off in advance Anon Z-1) rightful claim we had to moral superiority over America in this conflict got napalmed last night when Putin sent Ukrainian children cowering into the Kiev metro without their parents to comfort them as Russian tanks wrecked their young lives and probably traumatised them for life. I've been here almost 20 years and I have never before seen the main newsreader on the main state news channel looking visibly shaken and honestly confused as to what he was supposed to be reporting. The 'invasion' of Donbas last week was obvious and planned for years but this full invasion of Ukraine that followed 2 days later SEEMS, at least, to have been an impulsive decision. To what final end, only Putin knows. Fucked if I do.
There is NO justification for what is happening now and, more importantly, it makes no geopolitical sense outside of Putin's pathological obsession with the concept of "Ukraine should never have left the Russian empire!" (ok Vlad, so on the same basis should Britain and France start divvying up Africa again? In your hour-long lecture on Ukrainian history why did you begin at 1922? Go back a few more centuries to the Kievan Rus and you'll find your own logic destroys your reason for invasion).
So I don't know. About 5 times I've started to reply to Anon T's question about Putin's justification and ended up abandoning it because I just don't know where to properly begin ("Russia has been kicked and abused for 20 years!" - yeah ok, and in those circumstances you became the richest man on the planet, so exactly how kicked and abused were we?). But what I can say is that the mood here is VERY sombre, very sad and (this part matters most) extremely bewildered. The messaging on this war over here has been atrocious, nobody knows quite why this is happening. The Russian army is killing people whom people here in St Petersburg personally KNOW, either as friends, colleagues or even relatives. Crimea was a bloodless invasion, not one single civilian died (and only 2 soldiers died), and more importantly, it made sense. It was absolutely in Russia's interests to annex the region and we had the moral high ground in doing it. Every single Russian was with him on doing that. Whatever the fuck is going on now does NOT make sense and it is NOT in anybody's interests except, apparently, a guy who is fixated with the idea of going down in history as the one who reunited Ukraine and Russia despite the fact that literally nobody except him gives a single fuck about that.
All I can think of is that to be president even of any 'normal' country for 4 or 8 years is a very strange existence, you're so isolated from the real world. Putin's been king for 22 years, totally cut off from any kind of normality, surrounding himself with the same small group of people, and it seems that in that psychologically unhealthy environment he's been seething about the 1990s. How he lives is simply not normal, not for 22 years, and it looks like he's become a kind of ultra-rational psychopath.
Genuinely have no idea. Everything he did up to Wednesday made sense, it was predictable, and everyone knew it was going to happen (I'm talking about the, *ahem*, "peacekeeping mission" in Donbas, for which Biden basically gave him a pass). Everything he's done SINCE then makes precisely zero sense, it is NOT what anybody here (I'm in St Petersburg Russia) wants or supports, we have NO fucking idea what the end game is supposed to be (we're gonna occupy a country of nearly 50 million people, the vast majority of whom want nothing to do with Russia, for the rest of human history? Did Russia learn nothing from Afghanistan?), and ANY (fuck off in advance Anon Z-1) rightful claim we had to moral superiority over America in this conflict got napalmed last night when Putin sent Ukrainian children cowering into the Kiev metro without their parents to comfort them as Russian tanks wrecked their young lives and probably traumatised them for life. I've been here almost 20 years and I have never before seen the main newsreader on the main state news channel looking visibly shaken and honestly confused as to what he was supposed to be reporting. The 'invasion' of Donbas last week was obvious and planned for years but this full invasion of Ukraine that followed 2 days later SEEMS, at least, to have been an impulsive decision. To what final end, only Putin knows. Fucked if I do.
There is NO justification for what is happening now and, more importantly, it makes no geopolitical sense outside of Putin's pathological obsession with the concept of "Ukraine should never have left the Russian empire!" (ok Vlad, so on the same basis should Britain and France start divvying up Africa again? In your hour-long lecture on Ukrainian history why did you begin at 1922? Go back a few more centuries to the Kievan Rus and you'll find your own logic destroys your reason for invasion).
So I don't know. About 5 times I've started to reply to Anon T's question about Putin's justification and ended up abandoning it because I just don't know where to properly begin ("Russia has been kicked and abused for 20 years!" - yeah ok, and in those circumstances you became the richest man on the planet, so exactly how kicked and abused were we?). But what I can say is that the mood here is VERY sombre, very sad and (this part matters most) extremely bewildered. The messaging on this war over here has been atrocious, nobody knows quite why this is happening. The Russian army is killing people whom people here in St Petersburg personally KNOW, either as friends, colleagues or even relatives. Crimea was a bloodless invasion, not one single civilian died (and only 2 soldiers died), and more importantly, it made sense. It was absolutely in Russia's interests to annex the region and we had the moral high ground in doing it. Every single Russian was with him on doing that. Whatever the fuck is going on now does NOT make sense and it is NOT in anybody's interests except, apparently, a guy who is fixated with the idea of going down in history as the one who reunited Ukraine and Russia despite the fact that literally nobody except him gives a single fuck about that.
All I can think of is that to be president even of any 'normal' country for 4 or 8 years is a very strange existence, you're so isolated from the real world. Putin's been king for 22 years, totally cut off from any kind of normality, surrounding himself with the same small group of people, and it seems that in that psychologically unhealthy environment he's been seething about the 1990s. How he lives is simply not normal, not for 22 years, and it looks like he's become a kind of ultra-rational psychopath.
(Edited 5 minutes later.)
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,160
@1,158,153 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
It's all fine and good to talk about what we think will happen. What's more interesting is talking about what we think should happen.
Are you seriously claiming the most that should be done is cutting off access to international banks? And you act like that's some huge thing. What? because it hurts a few people's bank accounts?
What next, should we, I dare say, disconnect them from the internet lol?
It's all fine and good to talk about what we think will happen. What's more interesting is talking about what we think should happen.
Are you seriously claiming the most that should be done is cutting off access to international banks? And you act like that's some huge thing. What? because it hurts a few people's bank accounts?
What next, should we, I dare say, disconnect them from the internet lol?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 31 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,161
@1,158,155 (T)
You forgot to mention his diet coke and plate of cold bagel bites, but otherwise this is how it works. Trust me I am the CEO of a Forbes 100 accordion repair shop franchise.
You forgot to mention his diet coke and plate of cold bagel bites, but otherwise this is how it works. Trust me I am the CEO of a Forbes 100 accordion repair shop franchise.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,162
@1,158,155 (T)
cute. Although the level of difficulty you think this entails is far more fantastical.
cute. Although the level of difficulty you think this entails is far more fantastical.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,163
@1,158,160 (Z-1)
No, I agree with you we're not really doing much at all. And I think it's because there isn't really any appetite to do so. Sanctions by design wound both parties, and Ukraine barely matters in any real sense, so this is what we get.
No, I agree with you we're not really doing much at all. And I think it's because there isn't really any appetite to do so. Sanctions by design wound both parties, and Ukraine barely matters in any real sense, so this is what we get.
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,166
Huh, Elon Musk agreed to the Ukrainian request to provide Ukraine with Internet via his Starlink satellites. Neat.™
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/starlink-service-ukraine-elon-musk-b2024184.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/starlink-service-ukraine-elon-musk-b2024184.html
Anonymous Z-15 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,168
Sam joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,171
I'm no expert, but I believe Ukraine is employing a warfare strategy called “deep defense”. Essentially they know they can’t hold the border, so they are ceding large areas of unimportant land. This causes the Russians to overextend, then the Ukrainians use western intelligence to hit supply lines and force the Russians into a costly overextension. This is why you’re seeing Russians go around on social media begging for gas and fuel. They’re overextended and their incoming supplies are getting destroyed. Time will tell if this works everywhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_in_depth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_in_depth
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,173
@1,158,168 (Z-15)
And thanks to his starlink, he can be sure that Zelensky will hear about it! Everybody wins.
And thanks to his starlink, he can be sure that Zelensky will hear about it! Everybody wins.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,176
@1,158,171 (Sam)
> I'm no expert, but I believe Ukraine is employing a warfare strategy called “deep defense”. Essentially they know they can’t hold the border, so they are ceding large areas of unimportant land. This causes the Russians to overextend, then the Ukrainians use western intelligence to hit supply lines and force the Russians into a costly overextension. This is why you’re seeing Russians go around on social media begging for gas and fuel. They’re overextended and their incoming supplies are getting destroyed. Time will tell if this works everywhere.
Yes, thank you 'Sam' for pasting this comment word for word from Reddit. So many expert military strategists on there it seems.
> I'm no expert, but I believe Ukraine is employing a warfare strategy called “deep defense”. Essentially they know they can’t hold the border, so they are ceding large areas of unimportant land. This causes the Russians to overextend, then the Ukrainians use western intelligence to hit supply lines and force the Russians into a costly overextension. This is why you’re seeing Russians go around on social media begging for gas and fuel. They’re overextended and their incoming supplies are getting destroyed. Time will tell if this works everywhere.
Yes, thank you 'Sam' for pasting this comment word for word from Reddit. So many expert military strategists on there it seems.
Sam replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,177
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,178
@1,158,159 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Yeah this seems like a really serious unforced error on Putin's part and it's hard to wrap my head around it. Even if Putin captures Kiev now it seems like that would at best only modestly reduce the trouble for him. Do you think he will try to find a way to back out of this before it spirals completely out of control or do you think he's committed to this no matter what?
Yeah this seems like a really serious unforced error on Putin's part and it's hard to wrap my head around it. Even if Putin captures Kiev now it seems like that would at best only modestly reduce the trouble for him. Do you think he will try to find a way to back out of this before it spirals completely out of control or do you think he's committed to this no matter what?
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 23 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,179
@1,158,177 (Sam)
I'm not, I copy-pasted your opening sentence into Google because it was obviously not something somebody would just come in and blurt out in this thread.
I'm not, I copy-pasted your opening sentence into Google because it was obviously not something somebody would just come in and blurt out in this thread.
Sam replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,181
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,183
@1,158,159 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> The 'invasion' of Donbas last week was obvious and planned for years but this full invasion of Ukraine that followed 2 days later SEEMS, at least, to have been an impulsive decision.
Do you think it's possible something went wrong? Like the plan was to limit it to Donbas but someone on the ground got trigger happy and things escalated out of control?
> The 'invasion' of Donbas last week was obvious and planned for years but this full invasion of Ukraine that followed 2 days later SEEMS, at least, to have been an impulsive decision.
Do you think it's possible something went wrong? Like the plan was to limit it to Donbas but someone on the ground got trigger happy and things escalated out of control?
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 40 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,184
@1,158,178 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Do you think he will try to find a way to back out of this before it spirals completely out of control or do you think he's committed to this no matter what?
I really fucking hope he will find a way to back out of this (although he's shunned every off-ramp offered to him so far), because I can't see any way that this ends well for him IF he continues his current course. He appears to have walked directly into his own colossal mixture of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.
I have no confidence that he fully understands what he's doing here. There's never been a case in history when an autocratic leader had his finest hour 22 years in. That tends to be when they make the catastrophic mistake that ends their reign, because they've bought in to their own invincibility.
He needs to get on state TV tomorrow morning and explain what in the fuck he's doing and why, WITHOUT any fucking hour-long lectures about the history of Ukraine (he's reportedly deep beneath the Ural mountains right now in his war rooms). He's been completely absent from our media since the initial declaration of war (which by the way was filmed almost a week before it aired). Just answer for us this very simple question: why are the children of a country that has NOT threatened us cowering underground at midnight and without their parents next to them? Is this how you plan to convince the next generation of Ukrainians to stop hating Russia? In your speech you said the only reason they hate us is "Western propaganda". Is it Western propaganda that's just wrecked their young lives for no rational reason beyond - it seems - your obsession with reversing history?
> Do you think he will try to find a way to back out of this before it spirals completely out of control or do you think he's committed to this no matter what?
I really fucking hope he will find a way to back out of this (although he's shunned every off-ramp offered to him so far), because I can't see any way that this ends well for him IF he continues his current course. He appears to have walked directly into his own colossal mixture of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.
I have no confidence that he fully understands what he's doing here. There's never been a case in history when an autocratic leader had his finest hour 22 years in. That tends to be when they make the catastrophic mistake that ends their reign, because they've bought in to their own invincibility.
He needs to get on state TV tomorrow morning and explain what in the fuck he's doing and why, WITHOUT any fucking hour-long lectures about the history of Ukraine (he's reportedly deep beneath the Ural mountains right now in his war rooms). He's been completely absent from our media since the initial declaration of war (which by the way was filmed almost a week before it aired). Just answer for us this very simple question: why are the children of a country that has NOT threatened us cowering underground at midnight and without their parents next to them? Is this how you plan to convince the next generation of Ukrainians to stop hating Russia? In your speech you said the only reason they hate us is "Western propaganda". Is it Western propaganda that's just wrecked their young lives for no rational reason beyond - it seems - your obsession with reversing history?
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,185
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> which by the way was filmed almost a week before it aired
Blimey, really? I remember reading that watches on some of the people present showed an earlier time, but I had no idea it had been filmed that far before.
Assuming I'm thinking of the same event. I might be confusing two different things.
> which by the way was filmed almost a week before it aired
Blimey, really? I remember reading that watches on some of the people present showed an earlier time, but I had no idea it had been filmed that far before.
Assuming I'm thinking of the same event. I might be confusing two different things.
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Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,187
@1,158,183 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> > The 'invasion' of Donbas last week was obvious and planned for years but this full invasion of Ukraine that followed 2 days later SEEMS, at least, to have been an impulsive decision.
>
> Do you think it's possible something went wrong? Like the plan was to limit it to Donbas but someone on the ground got trigger happy and things escalated out of control?
Really no idea. If I had to guess I'd say (based on how this invasion doesn't seem to be going smoothly at all) that Biden's weak response to Putin's "incursion" into the new eastern Republics emboldened him to try for the whole country. But in that case I'd like once more to ask Putin: ok, and once the Russian army topples the Ukrainian government, what's your plan for the next 30 years, Mr 70-Year-Old? We can't even properly look after our own citizens, you're gonna take on the responsibility of 45 million more, most of whom despise us?
> > The 'invasion' of Donbas last week was obvious and planned for years but this full invasion of Ukraine that followed 2 days later SEEMS, at least, to have been an impulsive decision.
>
> Do you think it's possible something went wrong? Like the plan was to limit it to Donbas but someone on the ground got trigger happy and things escalated out of control?
Really no idea. If I had to guess I'd say (based on how this invasion doesn't seem to be going smoothly at all) that Biden's weak response to Putin's "incursion" into the new eastern Republics emboldened him to try for the whole country. But in that case I'd like once more to ask Putin: ok, and once the Russian army topples the Ukrainian government, what's your plan for the next 30 years, Mr 70-Year-Old? We can't even properly look after our own citizens, you're gonna take on the responsibility of 45 million more, most of whom despise us?
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Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,194
I mean, check out this fucking clown: there's a guy on the main state news channel right now basically saying that Putin is about to win this chess game big time. His idea is that the Russian army could have taken Kiev a long time ago but they are just waiting for Ukraine to negotiate the terms they have already offered, i.e Ukraine's neutrality, which basically means that Ukraine abandons the hope of being a member of NATO and still have a sovereign government that stands for Russian's interests, which was, as he concluded, "Russia's goal all along".
Ok Mr Expert, but you see the issue I have with that analysis is that the Ukrainian people don't WANT to have a government that "stands for Russia's interests". How on earth do you convince almost 50 million people to live in what basically amounts to a vassal state when you've just driven their traumatised children underground, you fucking myopic retard?
Ok Mr Expert, but you see the issue I have with that analysis is that the Ukrainian people don't WANT to have a government that "stands for Russia's interests". How on earth do you convince almost 50 million people to live in what basically amounts to a vassal state when you've just driven their traumatised children underground, you fucking myopic retard?
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,200
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
The newswriters clearly haven't gotten that far along in the script yet and it seems like Putin isn't doing them any favors. Do you think there will be civil unrest in Russia? Or will this just be something that people only complain about over their kitchen tables but otherwise go about living their lives (I realize this is treading dangerously close to a "what does the average Russian think about X?" kind of question).
The newswriters clearly haven't gotten that far along in the script yet and it seems like Putin isn't doing them any favors. Do you think there will be civil unrest in Russia? Or will this just be something that people only complain about over their kitchen tables but otherwise go about living their lives (I realize this is treading dangerously close to a "what does the average Russian think about X?" kind of question).
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Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,204
@1,158,187 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Maybe Biden is actually the smart one here. Instead of going hardcore WW3 on Putin just stand back and let him shit the bed. America will suffer loss of prestige and credibility for letting Ukraine fall but it could also lead to the end of Putin which is a much larger win.
Maybe Biden is actually the smart one here. Instead of going hardcore WW3 on Putin just stand back and let him shit the bed. America will suffer loss of prestige and credibility for letting Ukraine fall but it could also lead to the end of Putin which is a much larger win.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,207
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
The $50k/month payment the Ukranian government made in Hunter Biden may turn out to be the wisest investment in modern geopolitical history.
The $50k/month payment the Ukranian government made in Hunter Biden may turn out to be the wisest investment in modern geopolitical history.
Anonymous T replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,208
@1,158,159 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Yeah, it is extremely puzzling and difficult to figure out. In trying to find clues as to Putin's motives for taking things to this extreme, I stumbled across this video from 2 months ago: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkl2XgZlw0
Putin's response is quite revealing. It seems he has it firmly fixed in his mind that Ukraine slowly losing sight of its historical, cultural and political connections with Russia, and leaning further and further Westwards, can only end in disaster for Russia and further fragmentation of the country. I think he sees the EU as a major evil, like the equivalent of the 4th Reich, and the United States of Europe right on his doorstep as a massive threat - one which he cannot allow to continue unabated, especially since Ukraine has been making noises about joining the EU for several years now (in 2016 they joined DCFTA, which allows for free movement and trade with the EU single market).
Each step Ukraine has taken towards the EU has always been much to Russia's extreme annoyance and at their expense (e.g. Yushchenko - 2005/2006).
Yanukovych, who was supposed to be the Russian friendly solution, was kicked out by an angry mob in 2014 and convicted of treason - this was another blow to Putin, and was what provoked his invasion of Crimea.
But I think the last straw, which Putin sees as a real problem he cannot continue to ignore, has been the installation of that idiot comedian, Zelenskyy. He is a particularly dangerous fool because of his desire for NATO. Putin said back in 2008 that Ukraine joining NATO would be unthinkable and warned Bush about getting too cocky... Now through 2019-2021 there has been a large crowd building up right on his doorstep.
Putin's end game? 1. Remove the clown and replace him with anybody, as long as they are never going to mention EU/NATO membership ever again. 2. Kick out NATO (easier said than done). 3. Revoke any kind of membership of any of the EU's tentacles.
I know this is a huge simplification of what is an extremely complex situation, and I certainly don't understand all the details (like wtf is that "genocide" Putin is referring to?) but I think it's at least plausible.
Yeah, it is extremely puzzling and difficult to figure out. In trying to find clues as to Putin's motives for taking things to this extreme, I stumbled across this video from 2 months ago: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkl2XgZlw0
Putin's response is quite revealing. It seems he has it firmly fixed in his mind that Ukraine slowly losing sight of its historical, cultural and political connections with Russia, and leaning further and further Westwards, can only end in disaster for Russia and further fragmentation of the country. I think he sees the EU as a major evil, like the equivalent of the 4th Reich, and the United States of Europe right on his doorstep as a massive threat - one which he cannot allow to continue unabated, especially since Ukraine has been making noises about joining the EU for several years now (in 2016 they joined DCFTA, which allows for free movement and trade with the EU single market).
Each step Ukraine has taken towards the EU has always been much to Russia's extreme annoyance and at their expense (e.g. Yushchenko - 2005/2006).
Yanukovych, who was supposed to be the Russian friendly solution, was kicked out by an angry mob in 2014 and convicted of treason - this was another blow to Putin, and was what provoked his invasion of Crimea.
But I think the last straw, which Putin sees as a real problem he cannot continue to ignore, has been the installation of that idiot comedian, Zelenskyy. He is a particularly dangerous fool because of his desire for NATO. Putin said back in 2008 that Ukraine joining NATO would be unthinkable and warned Bush about getting too cocky... Now through 2019-2021 there has been a large crowd building up right on his doorstep.
Putin's end game? 1. Remove the clown and replace him with anybody, as long as they are never going to mention EU/NATO membership ever again. 2. Kick out NATO (easier said than done). 3. Revoke any kind of membership of any of the EU's tentacles.
I know this is a huge simplification of what is an extremely complex situation, and I certainly don't understand all the details (like wtf is that "genocide" Putin is referring to?) but I think it's at least plausible.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 15 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,213
I wouldn't worry, Putin seems like the kind of man who will definitely back down.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,214
It's very late over here fellas and I'll be back tomorrow to respond as best I can to the recent posts, assuming the world hasn't gone up in smoke. I really need to hit the sack now. Let me leave you with one of my very favourite short videos of Putin with Obama (choosing his little yoghurt at 0:33 always cracks me up, as does the fella with the boot):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P1q3IDjBaI
Oh for those ludicrous days to return. Did you know that the phrase "May you always live in interesting times" is in fact a Chinese curse?
Night all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P1q3IDjBaI
Oh for those ludicrous days to return. Did you know that the phrase "May you always live in interesting times" is in fact a Chinese curse?
Night all.
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Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,216
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,219
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 57 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,221
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,224
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Mate, please. Disparaging the boot is a bootable offence, it's one of their proudest traditions.
Mate, please. Disparaging the boot is a bootable offence, it's one of their proudest traditions.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,227
@1,158,219 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
He wore a pair of those to his first day on the job, but accidentally left the tea plunger at home. So he improvised and acted like that's what he was supposed to do all along. To this day only a select few have access to this knowledge.
He wore a pair of those to his first day on the job, but accidentally left the tea plunger at home. So he improvised and acted like that's what he was supposed to do all along. To this day only a select few have access to this knowledge.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,229
Anonymous Z-17 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 15 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,231
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,233
@previous (Z-17)
> 47% of Americans 18-34 think Russia was justified in invading Ukraine
God bless their thoroughly retarded souls.
> 47% of Americans 18-34 think Russia was justified in invading Ukraine
God bless their thoroughly retarded souls.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 50 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,248
Apparently they sell boots specifically for samovar pumping (unsure of proper term): https://isamovar.com/boot-for-samovar
You use the boot as a bellows to blow air onto the coals and make it hotter.
You use the boot as a bellows to blow air onto the coals and make it hotter.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,301
Ukraine was weirdly quiet tonight. Normally Russia attacks all night but today they only attacked for like half of the night. Not sure if that bodes well though. Hurricanes have lulls in them too...
Anonymous Z-18 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 19 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,302
Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunity.
To seize everything you ever wanted. One moment.
Would you capture it or just let it slip?
His bombs are heavy; Kiev's weak, can't hold steady.
His troops in Crimea already,
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To drop bombs - but he keeps on forgetting
About Moscow, the protests get so loud
He gives the order and right then the troops roll out
Fuck the pacifists, he can just choke 'em out,
Peacetime's over, the game's up, WORLD WAR NOW!
To seize everything you ever wanted. One moment.
Would you capture it or just let it slip?
His bombs are heavy; Kiev's weak, can't hold steady.
His troops in Crimea already,
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To drop bombs - but he keeps on forgetting
About Moscow, the protests get so loud
He gives the order and right then the troops roll out
Fuck the pacifists, he can just choke 'em out,
Peacetime's over, the game's up, WORLD WAR NOW!
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,313
@1,158,301 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)Yeah not super eventful. /r/CombatFootage has some stuff.
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dw !p9hU6ckyqw joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 26 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,314
we should start a minimilitia fora
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,328
Nice to see they're putting our NLAWs to good use: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/_VoMw-ioPLw
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tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,329
And those Turkish TB2s: https://mobile.twitter.com/ukraine_af/status/1497853318458232837?s=21
Turkey really has a good drone game going.
Turkey really has a good drone game going.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,340
Putin puts nuclear arsenal on alert https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-putin-puts-nuclear-deterrent-26341424
Erik !AltRitexT6 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,345
Ukraine saved! Harry and Meghan have said they stand by them. Putin rocked
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,349
@1,158,340 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
Can Russian generals coup this fucker already?
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
Holy shit this is huge! Ukraine is saved. Hallelujah.
Can Russian generals coup this fucker already?
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
Holy shit this is huge! Ukraine is saved. Hallelujah.
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Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 14 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,354
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,355
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
I just hope there are enough left who care about the poor, barely trained soldiers Putin is sending to die senselessly in a madman's war to put a stop to it.
I just hope there are enough left who care about the poor, barely trained soldiers Putin is sending to die senselessly in a madman's war to put a stop to it.
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Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,357
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,360
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,362
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Yeah I can see them breaking through the surrounding defenses but actually capturing a city is a fucking meat grinder. Look at Fallujah for example lol.
Yeah I can see them breaking through the surrounding defenses but actually capturing a city is a fucking meat grinder. Look at Fallujah for example lol.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,364
cccuuunnttt !.cATkimmOo joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,365
What sites/accounts are the best to follow for updates?
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,368
Lol fuck this. One country ain't worth worldwide nuclear annihilation.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,369
@1,158,365 (cccuuunnttt !.cATkimmOo)
Just watch the news like a normal person. Thanks.
But seriously I’ve found internet coverage lacking compared to the TV. Bellingcat is good though.
Just watch the news like a normal person. Thanks.
But seriously I’ve found internet coverage lacking compared to the TV. Bellingcat is good though.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,378
@1,158,365 (cccuuunnttt !.cATkimmOo)
I've been using these twiter lists (a lot of overlap between) plus a couple other accounts:
https://twitter.com/i/lists/1492242776825552896
https://twitter.com/i/lists/1494327296383021062
@1,158,368 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
We aren't going to nuclear war over this. Even if somehow Putin orders a nuclear strike, I have to imagine the next thing that happens is Putin getting immediately whacked and someone new takes over. The firing of a single nuclear weapon would be the end of the Russian Federation as we know it.
I've been using these twiter lists (a lot of overlap between) plus a couple other accounts:
https://twitter.com/i/lists/1492242776825552896
https://twitter.com/i/lists/1494327296383021062
@1,158,368 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
We aren't going to nuclear war over this. Even if somehow Putin orders a nuclear strike, I have to imagine the next thing that happens is Putin getting immediately whacked and someone new takes over. The firing of a single nuclear weapon would be the end of the Russian Federation as we know it.
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Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,380
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Do you think Dave is very far down in the line of succession? If there's enough chaos, perhaps he will end up running things.
Do you think Dave is very far down in the line of succession? If there's enough chaos, perhaps he will end up running things.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,383
Russia Today is taking forever to load and I get a 502 half the time :(
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,384
@1,158,380 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
He actually is I believe 9th in line to the Presidency. So while it's unlikely that Dave will end up as President, it is theoretically possible. We will just have to wait and see. Do you think he would make a good leader?
He actually is I believe 9th in line to the Presidency. So while it's unlikely that Dave will end up as President, it is theoretically possible. We will just have to wait and see. Do you think he would make a good leader?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,385
@1,158,383 (Meta !Sober//iZs)Here's the front page. It almost seems like they have some kind of agenda here, but I'm not 100% sure.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 17 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,389
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
It's just the mirror image flip of CNN/NYT/WaPo tbh. I don't see it as any worse than the constant RUSSIA BAD hysteria on CNN/NYT/WaPo/etc. Yeah they're selling a narrative but so is everyone else.
It's just the mirror image flip of CNN/NYT/WaPo tbh. I don't see it as any worse than the constant RUSSIA BAD hysteria on CNN/NYT/WaPo/etc. Yeah they're selling a narrative but so is everyone else.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 14 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,391
The EU are going to send weapons (for the first time in their history), and they're banning RT and Sputnik.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_22_1441
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_22_1441
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,394
Erik !AltRitexT6 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,395
Erik !AltRitexT6 double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 42 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,396
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 21 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,400
@1,158,391 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I'm glad as an American I have the freedom to watch RT and listen to Sputnik.
Though I wonder what happens when YouTube yeets their livestreams? It's only a matter of time at this point. Will they still be able to keep me up to date with news in the region? :(
I'm glad as an American I have the freedom to watch RT and listen to Sputnik.
Though I wonder what happens when YouTube yeets their livestreams? It's only a matter of time at this point. Will they still be able to keep me up to date with news in the region? :(
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,401
@1,158,340 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> Putin puts nuclear arsenal on alert https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-putin-puts-nuclear-deterrent-26341424
4 days in to a war with a 3rd-tier military and he's already been forced into showing his strongest hand, the "nuclear deterrent".
It's looking like it's over for him. Every single member of his high command has family and children all over Europe, they're not standing by while this prick starts a nuclear war over a personal vanity project.
> Putin puts nuclear arsenal on alert https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-putin-puts-nuclear-deterrent-26341424
4 days in to a war with a 3rd-tier military and he's already been forced into showing his strongest hand, the "nuclear deterrent".
It's looking like it's over for him. Every single member of his high command has family and children all over Europe, they're not standing by while this prick starts a nuclear war over a personal vanity project.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,402
@1,158,384 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> He actually is I believe 9th in line to the Presidency. So while it's unlikely that Dave will end up as President, it is theoretically possible. We will just have to wait and see. Do you think he would make a good leader?
Can I staff my cabinet and high command with MC regulars?
> He actually is I believe 9th in line to the Presidency. So while it's unlikely that Dave will end up as President, it is theoretically possible. We will just have to wait and see. Do you think he would make a good leader?
Can I staff my cabinet and high command with MC regulars?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 17 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,404
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
I would be personally insulted if you didn't. What did you have in mind?
I would be personally insulted if you didn't. What did you have in mind?
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,409
@1,158,378 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
@NotWoofers is a good account for combat footage and analysis. You've probably seen him around if you followed the Syrian conflict.
@NotWoofers is a good account for combat footage and analysis. You've probably seen him around if you followed the Syrian conflict.
(Edited 2 minutes later.)
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,420
@1,158,401 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
His generals need to shoot him in his head, this psychopathic despot is unstable and I think he'll only become more deranged and dangerous.
His generals need to shoot him in his head, this psychopathic despot is unstable and I think he'll only become more deranged and dangerous.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 48 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,430
@1,158,391 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> The EU are going to send weapons (for the first time in their history), and they're banning RT and Sputnik.
>
> https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_22_1441
Seems like a relatively technical point and makes it seem like there have been no, effectively, unanimous involvements of European nations in international conflict before.
also loling at the banning of RT. Any chance we can get to throw free speech under the bus! Fuck this earth.
> The EU are going to send weapons (for the first time in their history), and they're banning RT and Sputnik.
>
> https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_22_1441
Seems like a relatively technical point and makes it seem like there have been no, effectively, unanimous involvements of European nations in international conflict before.
also loling at the banning of RT. Any chance we can get to throw free speech under the bus! Fuck this earth.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,461
@1,158,420 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> His generals need to shoot him in his head
His generals are currently getting their arses handed to them by a bunch of Ukrainian housewives armed with Molotov cocktails, but the generals are not the ones he should be worried about. The oligarchs are starting to turn on him (Mikhail Fridman and Oleg Deripaska today). This war is devastating to Russian business and if anyone steps in it'll be the ones he's been serving all these years.
> His generals need to shoot him in his head
His generals are currently getting their arses handed to them by a bunch of Ukrainian housewives armed with Molotov cocktails, but the generals are not the ones he should be worried about. The oligarchs are starting to turn on him (Mikhail Fridman and Oleg Deripaska today). This war is devastating to Russian business and if anyone steps in it'll be the ones he's been serving all these years.
(Edited 7 minutes later.)
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,466
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Unrelated question: Is Dozhd an actual TV station or just an online offering? Wikipedia says 'television channel' but I've never seen it referenced elsewhere as anything other than an 'online service'.
Unrelated question: Is Dozhd an actual TV station or just an online offering? Wikipedia says 'television channel' but I've never seen it referenced elsewhere as anything other than an 'online service'.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,467
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,471
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,483
I found this article quite insightful. (Pasted here 'cos paywall.)
Putin has lost touch with ordinary Russians, despite exercising immense control over what they watch, listen to and read. But to an even greater degree, Putin has lost touch with what Ukrainians think.
It’s the classic mistake of every tyrant: Surround yourself only with sycophants, suck-ups and yes-men, and you never get a reality check in your echo chamber. Eliminate dissenting politicians, and you assume that means you’ve eliminated dissent.
The decisive moment that sealed Ukraine’s fate may well have been the U.S.-led withdrawal from Afghanistan — a country closely watched by the Kremlin, given its key role in the downfall of the USSR, after the Soviets attempted to invade in 1979, and spent almost a decade fighting a losing battle.
When the West left Afghanistan last year, the speed and success of the Taliban takeover of the country would have delighted Putin. The capitulation of the U.S., the impotence of Europe, and the relative ease with which the militants took control of the Afghan capital within days of the Western retreat made Ukraine seem a tantalizing prospect.
Perhaps Putin thought he’d roll into Kyiv the way the Taliban rolled into Kabul, meeting scant resistance from Ukrainians. He seems to have expected to be welcomed in by Russian-speaking Ukrainians as nostalgic for the Soviet heydays as he is. It seems Putin expected Ukrainians to lay down their arms, and for their pro-Western and NATO President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to flee, making space for one of Moscow’s allies. The Kremlin could roll its tanks back to Russia, taking a sizeable chunk of Ukraine with them, and Putin could declare his bogus “peacekeeping” mission over after a few days. He would take some limited casualties, some painful but not devastating sanctions, and then it would be back to business as usual.
And perhaps if Putin had tried this maneuver during the Ukrainian presidencies of his ally Viktor Yanukovych, or of “chocolate king” billionaire Petro Poroshenko, he might have been able to roll into Kyiv the way the Taliban took Kabul last year.
But Putin underestimated Ukraine. The country’s troops have resisted hard and have largely held their cities against a Russian attempt at blitzkrieg. Kyiv claims that its experienced, motivated soldiers have killed thousands of Russians, downed enemy planes and destroyed hundreds of armored vehicles and tanks.
Putin also underestimated Zelenskiy.
A former comedian and actor with humble roots, Zelenskiy entered politics in 2019 on an anti-corruption campaign, after playing a history teacher elected as president on an anti-corruption platform in the sitcom “Servant of the People.”
Zelenskiy certainly isn’t perfect, but he’s also not cut from the same fabric of oligarchs who made billions in shady business enterprises. His ascent to the presidency seems to have genuinely been driven by a desire to make things better.
Ukraine now has a leader it can believe in, who is vowing to fight on against a military superpower. He’s a democratically elected president who wasn’t a cynical appointee of some other country, who wasn’t someone seeking the presidency to enrich themselves.
Unlike Afghanistan’s President Ashraf Ghani and his government, Zelenskiy didn’t get on the first plane out of Kyiv, despite the clear danger to his life. When Putin talks about decapitating Ukraine’s government, he is not speaking metaphorically. As Zelenskiy himself said in a video posted to social media, the president is Putin’s No. 1 target, and his family the No. 2.
Zelenskiy has stayed in Kyiv, rebuffing reported offers of safety in France and in the U.S. He has donned a khaki T-shirt and jacket.
“We are here. We are in Kyiv. We are defending Ukraine,” Zelenskiy said in a video published on Telegram Friday night and shot in Kyiv. In the clip, he is surrounded by his Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal, along with Mikhail Podolyak, an adviser to the president’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, the head of the office of the president, and the head of the ruling party’s parliamentary faction, David Arakhamia.
With that video, Zelenskiy told Ukrainians: We aren’t running, we’re fighting. Ukrainians are fighting.
So, Putin expected Afghanistan in 2021. But he got Afghanistan in 1979. Ukrainians aren’t rolling over or welcoming back an old friend. They, and their president, are digging in for war. Their army is fighting hard. Harsh Western sanctions are targeting Putin and all his oligarch buddies, who were content to keep him in power while it filled their coffers, but who now stand to lose billions.
It’s the classic mistake of every tyrant: Surround yourself only with sycophants, suck-ups and yes-men, and you never get a reality check in your echo chamber. Eliminate dissenting politicians, and you assume that means you’ve eliminated dissent.
The decisive moment that sealed Ukraine’s fate may well have been the U.S.-led withdrawal from Afghanistan — a country closely watched by the Kremlin, given its key role in the downfall of the USSR, after the Soviets attempted to invade in 1979, and spent almost a decade fighting a losing battle.
When the West left Afghanistan last year, the speed and success of the Taliban takeover of the country would have delighted Putin. The capitulation of the U.S., the impotence of Europe, and the relative ease with which the militants took control of the Afghan capital within days of the Western retreat made Ukraine seem a tantalizing prospect.
Perhaps Putin thought he’d roll into Kyiv the way the Taliban rolled into Kabul, meeting scant resistance from Ukrainians. He seems to have expected to be welcomed in by Russian-speaking Ukrainians as nostalgic for the Soviet heydays as he is. It seems Putin expected Ukrainians to lay down their arms, and for their pro-Western and NATO President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to flee, making space for one of Moscow’s allies. The Kremlin could roll its tanks back to Russia, taking a sizeable chunk of Ukraine with them, and Putin could declare his bogus “peacekeeping” mission over after a few days. He would take some limited casualties, some painful but not devastating sanctions, and then it would be back to business as usual.
And perhaps if Putin had tried this maneuver during the Ukrainian presidencies of his ally Viktor Yanukovych, or of “chocolate king” billionaire Petro Poroshenko, he might have been able to roll into Kyiv the way the Taliban took Kabul last year.
But Putin underestimated Ukraine. The country’s troops have resisted hard and have largely held their cities against a Russian attempt at blitzkrieg. Kyiv claims that its experienced, motivated soldiers have killed thousands of Russians, downed enemy planes and destroyed hundreds of armored vehicles and tanks.
Putin also underestimated Zelenskiy.
A former comedian and actor with humble roots, Zelenskiy entered politics in 2019 on an anti-corruption campaign, after playing a history teacher elected as president on an anti-corruption platform in the sitcom “Servant of the People.”
Zelenskiy certainly isn’t perfect, but he’s also not cut from the same fabric of oligarchs who made billions in shady business enterprises. His ascent to the presidency seems to have genuinely been driven by a desire to make things better.
Ukraine now has a leader it can believe in, who is vowing to fight on against a military superpower. He’s a democratically elected president who wasn’t a cynical appointee of some other country, who wasn’t someone seeking the presidency to enrich themselves.
Unlike Afghanistan’s President Ashraf Ghani and his government, Zelenskiy didn’t get on the first plane out of Kyiv, despite the clear danger to his life. When Putin talks about decapitating Ukraine’s government, he is not speaking metaphorically. As Zelenskiy himself said in a video posted to social media, the president is Putin’s No. 1 target, and his family the No. 2.
Zelenskiy has stayed in Kyiv, rebuffing reported offers of safety in France and in the U.S. He has donned a khaki T-shirt and jacket.
“We are here. We are in Kyiv. We are defending Ukraine,” Zelenskiy said in a video published on Telegram Friday night and shot in Kyiv. In the clip, he is surrounded by his Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal, along with Mikhail Podolyak, an adviser to the president’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, the head of the office of the president, and the head of the ruling party’s parliamentary faction, David Arakhamia.
With that video, Zelenskiy told Ukrainians: We aren’t running, we’re fighting. Ukrainians are fighting.
So, Putin expected Afghanistan in 2021. But he got Afghanistan in 1979. Ukrainians aren’t rolling over or welcoming back an old friend. They, and their president, are digging in for war. Their army is fighting hard. Harsh Western sanctions are targeting Putin and all his oligarch buddies, who were content to keep him in power while it filled their coffers, but who now stand to lose billions.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,489
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
If Putin looked at a puppet regime immediately collapsing after an exhausted occupying force left a hostile country and thought "aha, now I will send in an occupying force to a hostile country in order to prop up a puppet regime" then I genuinely don't know what to think anymore. There's no way that's true...right?
If Putin looked at a puppet regime immediately collapsing after an exhausted occupying force left a hostile country and thought "aha, now I will send in an occupying force to a hostile country in order to prop up a puppet regime" then I genuinely don't know what to think anymore. There's no way that's true...right?
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,497
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
That was my exact thought. The pace at which the Taliban took Kabul is one thing, but look at it from the other perspective and the Afghan government is whatever pro-Russian regime he seeks to install in Ukraine: swiftly defeated by a determined guerrilla force.
Maybe Afghanistan didn't factor into his thinking at all, but it's interesting to ponder.
That was my exact thought. The pace at which the Taliban took Kabul is one thing, but look at it from the other perspective and the Afghan government is whatever pro-Russian regime he seeks to install in Ukraine: swiftly defeated by a determined guerrilla force.
Maybe Afghanistan didn't factor into his thinking at all, but it's interesting to ponder.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,501
I'm feeling a lot more optimistic about this situation than I was a few days ago. International support for Ukraine is strong, the Ukrainians are determined to resist, and support for the war is low in Russia.
I'm hopeful that Putin's invasion will be an excruciating stalemate that ultimately fails, and destroys his political career.
I'm hopeful that Putin's invasion will be an excruciating stalemate that ultimately fails, and destroys his political career.
(Edited 27 seconds later.)
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 34 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,527
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
In a liberal democracy a failed political career ends in resignation, impeachment or a lost election. Putin's exit should he face one here will not be nearly so clean. He has inadvertently staked his the future of his life on a doomed war. This isn't going to end well for anyone.
In a liberal democracy a failed political career ends in resignation, impeachment or a lost election. Putin's exit should he face one here will not be nearly so clean. He has inadvertently staked his the future of his life on a doomed war. This isn't going to end well for anyone.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,532
Watching Russia Today on YouTube. It's pretty funny the levels of propaganda. I think it will slowly start de-escalating now. Although I'm usually wrong.
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,535
The presenter seems like he knows what he is saying is bull. Also they covered the protests in Russia surprisingly! But the footage was mainly of people in police cage vans and being beaten by police.
Green !StaYqkzUPc triple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,537
They have a live feed as well but I'm not wasting my data on that 💩 😂
Green !StaYqkzUPc quadruple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,544
OMG, the women on RT 😍
Anonymous Z-22 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,575
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Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 27 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,596
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 8 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,665
I do feel quite sorry for the Russian soldiers who are in this. They've been sent to risk their lives for a pointless war, and if the reaction of the Russian people is any indicator they probably don't agree with or understand said war... Basically every bit of hearsay I've heard about how these guys are feeling has been negative.
@1,158,527 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I'm hoping that the Russian government, in theory, has a clear successor that would take over from him and a clean method of kicking him out of office. But I suspect that that route could get quite messy for all involved, yes.
I'd love Dave's input on this, if he's around.
@1,158,527 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I'm hoping that the Russian government, in theory, has a clear successor that would take over from him and a clean method of kicking him out of office. But I suspect that that route could get quite messy for all involved, yes.
I'd love Dave's input on this, if he's around.
(Edited 40 minutes later.)
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,666
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Just a rumour but apparently anyone in Russia protesting the war will get 20 years in the gulags.
Just a rumour but apparently anyone in Russia protesting the war will get 20 years in the gulags.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,677
Putin's weird long table thing is still so strange to me.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,688
Also the Russian central banker referring to this all as a "non-standard" situation is a modest understatement.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 19 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,691
It's nice to be in a post-Dave thread. Breath of fucking fresh air.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,693
What happened to Dave? Pretty worrying. We can call Boris a cunt all day here, but Russians insulting Putin is different.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 26 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,695
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 24 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,699
@1,158,665 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Even worse Russia does conscription so some of them didn't even want to join the army if the first place.
Even worse Russia does conscription so some of them didn't even want to join the army if the first place.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 55 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,706
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
I can't decide if that's on par or better than preventing all males from leaving the country.
I say we level both countries. Just like we should've done to Israel and Palestine 70 years ago.
I can't decide if that's on par or better than preventing all males from leaving the country.
I say we level both countries. Just like we should've done to Israel and Palestine 70 years ago.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,793
@1,158,691 (Z-1)
Strongly disagree. Dave could be quite ruthless but he was one of our smartest posters and especially on this topic has insights that no one else here can replicate. He is sorely missed. :(
Strongly disagree. Dave could be quite ruthless but he was one of our smartest posters and especially on this topic has insights that no one else here can replicate. He is sorely missed. :(
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,794
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
His arguments were always so simplistic, even Matt-tier I'd say. The only difference is every single point he attempts to make is buried in a wall of text. A mile (myle?) high and paper thin. It's an interesting shtick, but it got old long ago.
His arguments were always so simplistic, even Matt-tier I'd say. The only difference is every single point he attempts to make is buried in a wall of text. A mile (myle?) high and paper thin. It's an interesting shtick, but it got old long ago.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 36 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,800
@1,158,793 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
It’s been two days he’ll be back. They always come back, no one escapes
It’s been two days he’ll be back. They always come back, no one escapes
Anonymous G replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,809
400 git
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,813
Why do awful humans like Putin exist?
Anonymous G replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,815
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,816
I like how Russia says these contradictory statements: Russia is on a peace keeping mission and NATO pushed Russia into entering Ukraine. So NATO provoked Russia into going on a peace keeping mission? 🤔
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 38 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,828
Honestly I have a soft spot for Putin and Russia in general. That being said it really does look like he's in too deep now. There's no way out of this that doesn't leave Russia much worse off.
Anonymous G replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,833
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)It may present an opportunity to use an X-15 in combat. I'd love to see what that beast of an aircraft is capable of.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 49 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,834
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 14 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,841
@1,158,833 (G)
That's some retro shit. If we're doing Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo we might as well use all the cool Cold War shit we never got to the first time 😂👌
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
I think in his heart of hearts he wants what is best for his people. His people are not my people and I won't benefit from his rule but I can respect that.
That's some retro shit. If we're doing Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo we might as well use all the cool Cold War shit we never got to the first time 😂👌
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
I think in his heart of hearts he wants what is best for his people. His people are not my people and I won't benefit from his rule but I can respect that.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,843
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Nuclear annihilation is not what is best for his people. All he cares for is power, he is a psychopath.
Nuclear annihilation is not what is best for his people. All he cares for is power, he is a psychopath.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,848
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
Sometimes when you take risks you get burned. Putin has all the power he could ever want. I don't think this was just for personal power.
Sometimes when you take risks you get burned. Putin has all the power he could ever want. I don't think this was just for personal power.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,851
Anonymous Z-24 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,941
@1,158,828 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> Honestly I have a soft spot for Putin and Russia in general.
This probably won't age well.
> Honestly I have a soft spot for Putin and Russia in general.
This probably won't age well.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,952
I have this weird feeling that Putin is dead or going to die soon.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,953
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
The real Putin died in 2020. Covid got him. The person pretending to be him now is a body-double.
His handlers tried to keep him under control, but then the body-double managed to get on TV and declare war on Ukraine, which caused the current mess.
The real Putin died in 2020. Covid got him. The person pretending to be him now is a body-double.
His handlers tried to keep him under control, but then the body-double managed to get on TV and declare war on Ukraine, which caused the current mess.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,964
2 things of interest:1. Lukashenko apparently revealed a (the?) detailed invasion map of Ukraine that also shows Russian troops going into Moldova as some people suspected.
2. Ukraine allegedly has the names of 120k Russian troops sent into their territory.
What are the Russkies doing???
blom replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,970
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Grand encirclement. They'll take the edges up until NATO and starve the centres until capitulation.
Grand encirclement. They'll take the edges up until NATO and starve the centres until capitulation.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,996
@1,158,964 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Imgur won't load for me atm, but are we talking Moldova proper or Transnistria?
Imgur won't load for me atm, but are we talking Moldova proper or Transnistria?
Anonymous Z-25 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 58 seconds later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,158,997
@1,158,964 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> also shows Russian troops going into Moldova as some people suspected.
It shows them deploying from Moldova (🏳️⚧️ Transnistria) into Ukraine, not the other way around.
Transnistria is already a Russian occupied region, and has been before Crimea.
> also shows Russian troops going into Moldova as some people suspected.
It shows them deploying from Moldova (🏳️⚧️ Transnistria) into Ukraine, not the other way around.
Transnistria is already a Russian occupied region, and has been before Crimea.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,000
@previous (Z-25)
Okay yeah, figured it was comings and goings from Transnistria. Russia daring to attack Moldova would be utterly, utterly insane.
Okay yeah, figured it was comings and goings from Transnistria. Russia daring to attack Moldova would be utterly, utterly insane.
Anonymous Z-25 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,002
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
They've already been cut off from SWIFT, western airspace, multiple shipping and IT companies, and even the big sporting associations.
Is there much to lose by adding Moldova into the invasion?
They aren't NATO or EU and their defense budget is about $30 million.
EDIT: nice get btw
They've already been cut off from SWIFT, western airspace, multiple shipping and IT companies, and even the big sporting associations.
Is there much to lose by adding Moldova into the invasion?
They aren't NATO or EU and their defense budget is about $30 million.
EDIT: nice get btw
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 32 seconds later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,003
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,006
@1,159,002 (Z-25)
Considering how badly Ukraine is going for Russia, I think opening up another major front would be an insane idea. Moldova can call upon vastly more reserves than Transnistria, and Russia haven't yet taken anything in the area. It would be devastatingly retarded to move Transnistrian forces into Moldova alone. Granted I have no idea how many Russian soldiers are posted to Transnistria, but I think it's always been a token force.
Considering how badly Ukraine is going for Russia, I think opening up another major front would be an insane idea. Moldova can call upon vastly more reserves than Transnistria, and Russia haven't yet taken anything in the area. It would be devastatingly retarded to move Transnistrian forces into Moldova alone. Granted I have no idea how many Russian soldiers are posted to Transnistria, but I think it's always been a token force.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,007
@1,158,996 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
The transgender part of whatever yeah.
@1,158,997 (Z-25)
The mouth of the funnel is where the troops begin everywhere else on the map, but I guess it's possible it's reversed there? I read it as an amphibious landing in Ukraine that pushed into Russian held territory in Moldova
The transgender part of whatever yeah.
@1,158,997 (Z-25)
The mouth of the funnel is where the troops begin everywhere else on the map, but I guess it's possible it's reversed there? I read it as an amphibious landing in Ukraine that pushed into Russian held territory in Moldova
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,009
@1,159,006 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I don't think Russia will be so quick to invade another country even if they take Ukraine now. There army has taken a licking.
I don't think Russia will be so quick to invade another country even if they take Ukraine now. There army has taken a licking.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,010
That tower stood firm: https://v.redd.it/6fqto0iv6tk81
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,012
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,013
The Joran decade is going from bad to worse, isn't it?
Anonymous Z-25 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,023
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,024
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,025
Predicting that we'll face an alien invasion next and suddenly Russia will start firing on them and the world will be united to stop the alien threat. Then the simulation will be rebooted and the universe will start again.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,037
@1,159,006 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
So what's the deal with Transnistria? It seems to be like the Moldovan version of the sovereign nations of the Donetsk/Luhansk People's Republics but it's also like evenly split between Ukrainians, Russians, and Moldovans (ie Romanians). So it's not an ethnic thing like the DPR and LPR.
So what's the deal with Transnistria? It seems to be like the Moldovan version of the sovereign nations of the Donetsk/Luhansk People's Republics but it's also like evenly split between Ukrainians, Russians, and Moldovans (ie Romanians). So it's not an ethnic thing like the DPR and LPR.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,040
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
It's one of those post-Soviet 'frozen conflicts', which can be quite ethnically diverse in areas (like South Ossetia and Abkhazia, though I think both have grown more ethnically homogeneous in recent years).
I don't know if there is a genuine 'Transnistrian' ethnicity, to be honest. It might be an option on the census, but whether they're a genuine ethnic group I have no clue. Whereas Ossetians and the Abkhaz are recognised ethnic groups with long and established histories.
(I have no idea what I'm talking about really - good chance I'm very very wrong.)
It's one of those post-Soviet 'frozen conflicts', which can be quite ethnically diverse in areas (like South Ossetia and Abkhazia, though I think both have grown more ethnically homogeneous in recent years).
I don't know if there is a genuine 'Transnistrian' ethnicity, to be honest. It might be an option on the census, but whether they're a genuine ethnic group I have no clue. Whereas Ossetians and the Abkhaz are recognised ethnic groups with long and established histories.
(I have no idea what I'm talking about really - good chance I'm very very wrong.)
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2.2 years ago, 29 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,050
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,052
@1,159,040 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Are the different ethnicities in Transnistria fighting each other? Or have they put their differences aside to join together and fight against... Moldova I guess? What did Moldova ever do to piss anyone off?
Are the different ethnicities in Transnistria fighting each other? Or have they put their differences aside to join together and fight against... Moldova I guess? What did Moldova ever do to piss anyone off?
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,093
The more and more Ukraine tries to bring the rest of the world into this, the less I support them.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,114
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 16 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,117
I've been hearing a lot in the news that western leaders aren't very hopeful of convincing Putin to reconsider by themselves, since he's sort of gone off into his own fantasy world and won't respond to normal diplomacy. And they obviously don't want to intervene militarily and risk a massive escalation.
What I've heard the most optimism about, I think, is putting pressure on him through sanctions affecting Russians, his normal citizens and his oligarchs. And sure, Russians are protesting, but the police still seem to have them contained. And I've yet to hear anything about the oligarchs doing much. Maybe I'm expecting too much too soon, but I'm starting to worry.
What I've heard the most optimism about, I think, is putting pressure on him through sanctions affecting Russians, his normal citizens and his oligarchs. And sure, Russians are protesting, but the police still seem to have them contained. And I've yet to hear anything about the oligarchs doing much. Maybe I'm expecting too much too soon, but I'm starting to worry.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,118
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Unconfirmed but Putin may have Alzheimer's. His generals need to take over because he's obviously not mentally competent.
Unconfirmed but Putin may have Alzheimer's. His generals need to take over because he's obviously not mentally competent.
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,139
blom replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,239
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,240
@previous (blom)
Yes. Well Ukraine isn't exactly the shining beacon of democracy the MSM have been trying to portray it as.
Yes. Well Ukraine isn't exactly the shining beacon of democracy the MSM have been trying to portray it as.
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,244
Russia have taken a key city!
Anonymous H replied with this 2.2 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,246
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,247
@previous (H)
This is very similar to Skyrim. NATO are the empire, Russia are the Thalmor and Ukraine is Skyrim.
This is very similar to Skyrim. NATO are the empire, Russia are the Thalmor and Ukraine is Skyrim.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,249
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
Yes mate, good. You're catching on. And what solved this problem in Skyrim?
Yes mate, good. You're catching on. And what solved this problem in Skyrim?
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,252
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,253
Ukraine held a secret vote in parliament about asking for assistance with a no fly zone. Rapidly losing sympathy for them.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 56 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,258
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,259
@1,159,244 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> Russia have taken a key city!
Has*
@1,159,247 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> This is very similar to Skyrim. NATO are the empire, Russia are the Thalmor and Ukraine is Skyrim.
NATO is* — Russia is*
> Russia have taken a key city!
Has*
@1,159,247 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> This is very similar to Skyrim. NATO are the empire, Russia are the Thalmor and Ukraine is Skyrim.
NATO is* — Russia is*
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,260
@1,159,258 (A)
Mate, let's not be flippant about this. Green is a key player on Minichan, having his support is useful.
@1,159,252 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
Zelesky is the Dragonborn in this scenario.
Mate, let's not be flippant about this. Green is a key player on Minichan, having his support is useful.
@1,159,252 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
Zelesky is the Dragonborn in this scenario.
jodie !foster2PAQ replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,263
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 30 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,265
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 32 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,266
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,268
@1,159,253 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
It makes total sense for them to ask for it. If bombs were falling on your country you'd as for it to. They aren't going to get it though and everyone knows it.
It makes total sense for them to ask for it. If bombs were falling on your country you'd as for it to. They aren't going to get it though and everyone knows it.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,272
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I understand, I just don't want a knee jerk reaction of us going in because of it.
I understand, I just don't want a knee jerk reaction of us going in because of it.
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,273
Just breaking so it hasn't been confirmed yet, but apparently Russia have agreed to a ceasefire to give the chance for civilians to evacuate. Not huge, but from a small ripple...
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,317
@1,159,259 (A)
> NATO is* — Russia is*
No, you can use either singular or plural verbs for collective nouns in British English. Only in American English should they be singular.
"NATO are" and "Russia are" are fine, though I'd usually use the singular for countries.
> NATO is* — Russia is*
No, you can use either singular or plural verbs for collective nouns in British English. Only in American English should they be singular.
"NATO are" and "Russia are" are fine, though I'd usually use the singular for countries.
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Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 31 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,320
@1,159,266 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
Biden is General Tullius. Boris is Legate Rikke, his loyal lieutenant.
China is the Thalmor... Putin is Ulfric Stormcloak.
The UN is the Nine Divines, I think we can agree on that. A benevolent but mysterious higher power that only rarely intervenes in mortal affairs.
Biden is General Tullius. Boris is Legate Rikke, his loyal lieutenant.
China is the Thalmor... Putin is Ulfric Stormcloak.
The UN is the Nine Divines, I think we can agree on that. A benevolent but mysterious higher power that only rarely intervenes in mortal affairs.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,329
@1,159,253 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> Ukraine held a secret vote in parliament about asking for assistance with a no fly zone. Rapidly losing sympathy for them.
They're fighting to the death for their country. I think we can forgive them for the crime of being too vocal in their pleas for help.
> Ukraine held a secret vote in parliament about asking for assistance with a no fly zone. Rapidly losing sympathy for them.
They're fighting to the death for their country. I think we can forgive them for the crime of being too vocal in their pleas for help.
Anonymous Z-26 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 30 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,348
@1,159,253 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
Ukranians don't want Russians conducting air raids? They really are a bunch of Nazis.
Ukranians don't want Russians conducting air raids? They really are a bunch of Nazis.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,357
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 45 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,366
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,368
Goodbye, RT America.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/03/media/rt-america-layoffs/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/03/media/rt-america-layoffs/index.html
RT America will cease productions and lay off most of its staff, according to a memo from T&R Productions, the production company behind the Russian state-funded network, which CNN obtained.
Misha Solodovnikov, the general manager of T&R Productions, told staff in the memo that it will be "ceasing production" at all of its locations "as a result of unforeseen business interruption events."
"Unfortunately, we anticipate this layoff will be permanent, meaning that this will result in the permanent separation from employment of most T&R employees at all locations," Solodovnikov wrote.
T&R Productions operated offices in New York, Miami, Los Angeles, and Washington, DC.
The news would mean an effective end to RT America. The network, one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's main mouthpieces in the US, was dropped earlier this week by DirecTV, dealing a major financial blow to it. The satellite carrier was one of the two major television providers in the US to carry the network.
Misha Solodovnikov, the general manager of T&R Productions, told staff in the memo that it will be "ceasing production" at all of its locations "as a result of unforeseen business interruption events."
"Unfortunately, we anticipate this layoff will be permanent, meaning that this will result in the permanent separation from employment of most T&R employees at all locations," Solodovnikov wrote.
T&R Productions operated offices in New York, Miami, Los Angeles, and Washington, DC.
The news would mean an effective end to RT America. The network, one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's main mouthpieces in the US, was dropped earlier this week by DirecTV, dealing a major financial blow to it. The satellite carrier was one of the two major television providers in the US to carry the network.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,396
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
FUCK I should have sent some money to RIA Novosti 😭😭😭
It was the best news channel. And it was free.
FUCK I should have sent some money to RIA Novosti 😭😭😭
It was the best news channel. And it was free.
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,438
NATO rejects a No Fly Zone https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/nato-meets-ukraine-calls-no-fly-zone-hinder-russia-2022-03-04/
Sensible decision and will keep us all safer.
Sensible decision and will keep us all safer.
blom replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,439
@1,159,320 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
NATO is the Thalmor, Ukraine is the stormcloaks and Russia is the Empire.
NATO is a group of distinct political entities that combined into a single group and waged (cold) war against the Russians. Eventually it ended in a fragile peace where the Russians allowed NATO to dictate the terms of international order for a time.
Meanwhile, Ukraine, formerly a close part of Russia had slowly been ideologically drifting away in its furthest borders. Eventually, the Ukrainians demanded the autonomy to control their own affairs and started a rebellion to start their own government which can exercise their right to self-determination. Although there is publicly no association between NATO and the Ukraine, behind the scenes NATO is financing the Ukrainian government and there is some kind of anti-russian diplomacy until recently on the DL.
Meanwhile, the fading Russia responds to this call for self-determination with military strength, sparking a fight for cities in each major strategic location, or "hold" if you will.
NATO is the Thalmor, Ukraine is the stormcloaks and Russia is the Empire.
NATO is a group of distinct political entities that combined into a single group and waged (cold) war against the Russians. Eventually it ended in a fragile peace where the Russians allowed NATO to dictate the terms of international order for a time.
Meanwhile, Ukraine, formerly a close part of Russia had slowly been ideologically drifting away in its furthest borders. Eventually, the Ukrainians demanded the autonomy to control their own affairs and started a rebellion to start their own government which can exercise their right to self-determination. Although there is publicly no association between NATO and the Ukraine, behind the scenes NATO is financing the Ukrainian government and there is some kind of anti-russian diplomacy until recently on the DL.
Meanwhile, the fading Russia responds to this call for self-determination with military strength, sparking a fight for cities in each major strategic location, or "hold" if you will.
Dead !Pool..v42s replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,454
Anonymous T replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,461
Russia is the Imperials, Ukraine is the Forsworn, the EU is the Thalmor and NATO is the Stormcloaks.
blom replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,462
@1,159,454 (Dead !Pool..v42s)
The Thalmor were spending money on covert propaganda to encourage the stormcloaks to keep fighting, and also have Ulfric listed as a secret asset.
The Thalmor were spending money on covert propaganda to encourage the stormcloaks to keep fighting, and also have Ulfric listed as a secret asset.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 54 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,472
@1,159,368 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Too bad, even though you had to take it with a grain of salt they usually had interesting perspectives on US foreign policy
Too bad, even though you had to take it with a grain of salt they usually had interesting perspectives on US foreign policy
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,473
Where else will I learn about the US’s supposed funding of ISIL in Syria?
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,474
I remember back in 2011 or 2012 RT was pushing a theory that US intervention in Libya was due to Qaddafi switching Libya’s currency to the gold standard and that bankers were pushing the US into war because it was going to disrupt the entire international finance system lol
Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,475
We still have Democracy Now! but it won’t be the same.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,519
So people are freaking out because the Russians shelled the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. My question is 1) wouldn't the reactor containment vessel be built strong enough to withstand this?, and 2) wouldn't the Russians have been told where not to fire? (It was built during the Soviet era by Rosatom so presumably the Russians have blueprints available).
blom replied with this 2.2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,522
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 53 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,526
@1,159,519 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
You're acting like the Russians have a good track record with nuclear reactor safety lol.
You're acting like the Russians have a good track record with nuclear reactor safety lol.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 39 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,527
@1,159,519 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
They shelled an administration building not the reactors. They already took control of it from the Ukrainians so unless the Ukrainians start shelling it there’s no longer a crisis (for now)
They shelled an administration building not the reactors. They already took control of it from the Ukrainians so unless the Ukrainians start shelling it there’s no longer a crisis (for now)
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,533
@1,159,454 (Dead !Pool..v42s)
War in Skyrim is good for the Thalmor. While The Empire and Stormcloaks are fighting, it is advantageous to the Thalmor. The Thalmor secretly back Ulfric. The geopolitical situation in Skyrim is wild.
War in Skyrim is good for the Thalmor. While The Empire and Stormcloaks are fighting, it is advantageous to the Thalmor. The Thalmor secretly back Ulfric. The geopolitical situation in Skyrim is wild.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 41 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,556
Ok given everything that's happened in the last week this video seems surreal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV4IjHz2yIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV4IjHz2yIo
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,557
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Not available in the UK and can't VPN right now. Do you happen to have a mirror?
Not available in the UK and can't VPN right now. Do you happen to have a mirror?
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,560
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Try this one? (Skip to 15 seconds in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekeq4szDmJo
Try this one? (Skip to 15 seconds in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekeq4szDmJo
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,563
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 day later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,159,944
I'm actually surprised how well Biden is handling this situation. If he can avert us from WW3 or nuclear war, I may vote for him come 2024!
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,015
So what's the state of play in Ukraine now? 🤔
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 59 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,021
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 37 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,024
Green !StaYqkzUPc triple-posted this 2.2 years ago, 20 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,025
Jesus Christ lol 😂 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-china-flag-russia-ukraine-b2029695.html
(Edited 21 seconds later.)
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,026
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
Now THIS is hilarious. I don't think we should do it but you gotta admire his thinking. Take out two birds with one stone 😂👌
Now THIS is hilarious. I don't think we should do it but you gotta admire his thinking. Take out two birds with one stone 😂👌
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 54 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,036
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,038
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 39 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,039
Z Russian propagandaAnonymous G replied with this 2.2 years ago, 15 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,119
@1,160,038 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
This lad gets it. Time stop the hate between UKBritian and USAmerica.
This lad gets it. Time stop the hate between UKBritian and USAmerica.
Anonymous K replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,212
Anonymous G replied with this 2.2 years ago, 39 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,243
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,251
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 17 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,312
> DETROIT (AP) — McDonald's says it is temporarily closing 850 restaurants in Russia in response to the Ukraine invasion.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,313
@previous (A)
I unironically think that this is the worst company pullout yet. McDonald's is one of the best restaurants around, cheap delicious food a moment's notice, basically anywhere.
Shell also left today, but that's nowhere near as bad as this.
I unironically think that this is the worst company pullout yet. McDonald's is one of the best restaurants around, cheap delicious food a moment's notice, basically anywhere.
Shell also left today, but that's nowhere near as bad as this.
(Edited 3 hours later.)
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,314
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Lol, end of an era
https://twitter.com/sovietvisuals/status/736124580624924672?s=21
Lol, end of an era
https://twitter.com/sovietvisuals/status/736124580624924672?s=21
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,368
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,371
500 get
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,375
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,384
US blocks Poland's move to send jets to Ukraine. We should send AA weaponry, getting jets in would be too difficult.
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 12 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,424
I am loving Biden and his response. He is turning out to be one of my favourite presidents!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,460
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Why are these bots allowed to shit up the board?
I report them and nothing happens
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Why are these bots allowed to shit up the board?
I report them and nothing happens
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,462
@previous (A)
It's not a bot. It's one of our most deranged users. If you aggressively delete his posts, he has a complete mental breakdown and shits up the board constantly. You need to let him get the posts out, then delete them later on down the line when he's moved on.
It's not a bot. It's one of our most deranged users. If you aggressively delete his posts, he has a complete mental breakdown and shits up the board constantly. You need to let him get the posts out, then delete them later on down the line when he's moved on.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,471
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,475
@1,160,462 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)We'll just fight his autism with our own autism. And nobody is more autistic than moderators on obscure forums.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,476
Speaking of meta stuff, this topic has gotten pretty long. Anyone want a new one, or is this fine?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 second later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,477
@1,160,471 (A)
Some godforsaken random internet forum. It might be nethideaway.com or somewhere else, I can't recall.
Some godforsaken random internet forum. It might be nethideaway.com or somewhere else, I can't recall.
Anonymous Z-30 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,481
@1,160,384 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
> getting jets in would be too difficult.
What was the plan to get them in, anyway? Is NATO going to fly fighter jets over Ukraine, and hope Russia doesn't mind NATO piloting aircraft there during the war?+
Or were they going to fly them to the Polish border and then taxi them in with vehicles?
> getting jets in would be too difficult.
What was the plan to get them in, anyway? Is NATO going to fly fighter jets over Ukraine, and hope Russia doesn't mind NATO piloting aircraft there during the war?+
Or were they going to fly them to the Polish border and then taxi them in with vehicles?
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,495
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,496
I really hope we can find a diplomatic solution soon. More conflict won't solve anything, more people will just die in the war ✌️
Anonymous G replied with this 2.2 years ago, 34 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,508
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,597
I wish Dave hadn't ragequit the board, I'd love to get his perspective on all of these companies pulling out of Russia.
It's quite something, I think. The sudden absence of McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Uniqlo, etc is something that the average Russian won't be able to ignore.
It's quite something, I think. The sudden absence of McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Uniqlo, etc is something that the average Russian won't be able to ignore.
blom replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,601
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,602
blom replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,606
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 43 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,610
@1,160,602 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
He thought that Meta was a human being with emotions, not a libertarian. A classic but costly mistake.
He thought that Meta was a human being with emotions, not a libertarian. A classic but costly mistake.
(Edited 17 seconds later.)
Anonymous G replied with this 2.2 years ago, 58 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,615
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,639
Facebook and Instagram is going to allow posts calling for violence against Russians. Wtf, this is so wrong. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-facebook-instagram-temporarily-allow-calls-violence-against-russians-2022-03-10/
Anonymous Z-31 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,728
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
In light of this, can the mods clarify whether the rules here will be revised to allow death threats for Dave?
In light of this, can the mods clarify whether the rules here will be revised to allow death threats for Dave?
NAZI MOD replied with this 2.2 years ago, 20 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,730
Anonymous Z-31 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,731
Anonymous Z-32 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 34 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,732
Anonymous Z-15 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,752
@1,160,615 (G)
> I'd kill myself too, if my last name was... COMBS.
That's not Mickey Mouse. That's just TIT DIRT!
> I'd kill myself too, if my last name was... COMBS.
That's not Mickey Mouse. That's just TIT DIRT!
Anonymous Z-33 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,765
🥘4️⃣💭tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,769
Wew, 16th most replied-to thread of all time: http://minichan.net/hot_topics
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 59 seconds later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,770
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,800
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
That's true, we did lose 1.5 years' worth of posts.
Still, most of those all-time top threads are very old; some haven't had activity in years and years.
That's true, we did lose 1.5 years' worth of posts.
Still, most of those all-time top threads are very old; some haven't had activity in years and years.
Anonymous Z-34 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,823
I filled my gas tank, and it feels like I just donated £5 to Ukraine.
I'm glad to do it. Slava The Ukraine.
I'm glad to do it. Slava The Ukraine.
Anonymous Z-35 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,867
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 12 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,927
Biden is great 👍
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,943
Feeling quite fortunate to have started the Biden years with a tiny car. The 12-16 MPG my old car was getting would be absolute murder right now 😱😱😱
Meta !Sober//iZs double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,944
Also the Joe Biden "I did this!" stickers are ubiquitous on gas pumps. I don't mind them but I find it a bit odd since from what I can tell gas prices aren't especially correlated to R vs D presidents.I certainly don't recall George W Bush stickers on gas pumps in 2007-8 when it was insanely expensive.
(Edited 3 minutes later.)
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,966
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
I see those stickers too but they are usually half ripped off and I live in a super liberal area
I see those stickers too but they are usually half ripped off and I live in a super liberal area
Anonymous Z-36 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,968
Anonymous Z-15 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 28 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,160,974
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 days later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,285
Did Dave get conscripted? 🤔🤔🤔
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,286
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
No. He's been away because he's enraged about McDonald's getting closed in Russia. This video of him protesting it has been posted:
https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/tdby77/russian_handcuffed_himself_to_the_entrance_of/
Have to say, he's nothing like I imagined.
No. He's been away because he's enraged about McDonald's getting closed in Russia. This video of him protesting it has been posted:
https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/tdby77/russian_handcuffed_himself_to_the_entrance_of/
Have to say, he's nothing like I imagined.
(Edited 19 seconds later.)
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,287
US saying they are going to intervene in Ukraine now. Well, it's been good knowing you all.
Anonymous Z-37 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,325
Anonymous G replied with this 2.2 years ago, 34 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,330
Anonymous Z-37 replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,371
Anonymous Z-38 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 51 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,392
@1,159,023 (Z-25)
> be a simple john from colorado
> read on reddit about how ukrainian tractor drivers with double-barreled shotguns destroy 100 russian tanks per minute, while the ruskies are left without fuel and food and desert by the millions
> urgently pack your airsoft tacticool shit
> savor how you'll arrange a safari on the dirty russian conscripts with one mosin-nagant per ten soldiers while going to the airport
> just like in irag and afghanistan!
> arrive at the ukraine
> arrive at the headquarters of the 'volunteers", hang out with other redditors, make epic tacticool photos with comments like "russian warship idi nahui! fuck putin!"
> suddenly a kalibr flies in the window and kills the whole reddit meeting
> tears off your legs and ass
> the last thing you see is how the ukrainians change you into a russian uniform and take photos of you
> be a simple john from colorado
> read on reddit about how ukrainian tractor drivers with double-barreled shotguns destroy 100 russian tanks per minute, while the ruskies are left without fuel and food and desert by the millions
> urgently pack your airsoft tacticool shit
> savor how you'll arrange a safari on the dirty russian conscripts with one mosin-nagant per ten soldiers while going to the airport
> just like in irag and afghanistan!
> arrive at the ukraine
> arrive at the headquarters of the 'volunteers", hang out with other redditors, make epic tacticool photos with comments like "russian warship idi nahui! fuck putin!"
> suddenly a kalibr flies in the window and kills the whole reddit meeting
> tears off your legs and ass
> the last thing you see is how the ukrainians change you into a russian uniform and take photos of you
Anonymous Z-39 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 7 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,443
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,447
@previous (Z-39)
Meh I'll be concerned when they actually travel there. Anyone can sign up for anything.
Meh I'll be concerned when they actually travel there. Anyone can sign up for anything.
(Edited 9 seconds later.)
Anonymous Z-40 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 8 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,507
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2.2 years ago, 17 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,654
https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-d375-4817-be67-802b7fa77ef1Zelensky says Ukrainian and Russian positions becoming more ‘realistic’
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,691
Anonymous Z-41 joined in and replied with this 2.2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,696
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,733
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 29 seconds later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,734
@1,161,654 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-d375-4817-be67-802b7fa77ef1
>
> Zelensky says Ukrainian and Russian positions becoming more ‘realistic’
Putin L
> https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-d375-4817-be67-802b7fa77ef1
>
> Zelensky says Ukrainian and Russian positions becoming more ‘realistic’
Putin L
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 25 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,751
Biden called Putin a war criminal and that hurt Putin's feelings.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 20 hours later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,892
Shit, I just realised, Dave could be done for his posts ITT. Under those new anti-dissent laws Putin brought in. Maybe that's why he went quiet. 😔
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 2.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,902
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
I was thinking that, but didn't want to post it in case it came across as a tasteless joke. That's why I called Boris a cunt.
I was thinking that, but didn't want to post it in case it came across as a tasteless joke. That's why I called Boris a cunt.
Green !StaYqkzUPc double-posted this 2.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,903
Could we delete some of his posts criticising Putin though?
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2.2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,906
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
lol, mate. He's not really going to get in trouble for his posts here. I highly doubt that anyone in Russian law enforcement is going to see his posts here, and then connect them to the IRL person.
Still, it's quite insane. It seems that his posts here actually are illegal under Russian law, now.
lol, mate. He's not really going to get in trouble for his posts here. I highly doubt that anyone in Russian law enforcement is going to see his posts here, and then connect them to the IRL person.
Still, it's quite insane. It seems that his posts here actually are illegal under Russian law, now.
Anonymous G replied with this 2.2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,161,907
@1,161,751 (Green !StaYqkzUPc)> Biden called Putin a war criminal and that hurt Putin's feelings.
You can't contain hurricane Joe. Lmfao, btfo Russia. 😎
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2.2 years ago, 9 hours later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,092
blom replied with this 2.2 years ago, 2 days later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,162,524
Hundreds of trannies unable to flee Ukraine, as males are forbidden to leave the country.
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Anonymous D replied with this 1.3 year ago, 10 months later, 11 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,219,781
How's that going, Russia?